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NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge #689582 05/05/10 03:26 PM 05/05/10 03:26 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas dannysbee OP master
dannysbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	What class would a 64 Savoy with 415 hp engine, auto and steel front end fit into? Has anyone tried any of the latest Max Wedge Head offerings from Mopar performance? What other cars would you be competeing with? Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge [Re: dannysbee] #689583 05/05/10 08:37 PM 05/05/10 08:37 PM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Quote: What class would a 64 Savoy with 415 hp engine, auto and steel front end fit into? Has anyone tried any of the latest Max Wedge Head offerings from Mopar performance? What other cars would you be competeing with? That car fits B/SA IF NHRA has not factored the HP on that combination, it might be able to fit C/SA by adding weight, maybe not Check with NHRA tech to find out there rae a lot of different brand cars with different motor combinations that can run B and C/SA. Your best bet for accurate information on this subject is with NHRA and on line at classracer.com Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge [Re: Cab_Burge] #689584 05/05/10 09:55 PM 05/05/10 09:55 PM
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mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	Looks like a natural A/SA to me. Drop to B/SA with weight. See the attached classification guide. 5966351-1964PLY[1].xls (204 downloads) Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge [Re: mr_340] #689585 05/05/10 10:16 PM 05/05/10 10:16 PM
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jpm1916 member J Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 20 wilson nc	64 Max Wedge 415 can run aa/sa,a/sa or b/sa the 415 is rated @ 410 hp in IHRA

Re: NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge [Re: jpm1916] #689586 05/05/10 11:13 PM 05/05/10 11:13 PM
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dannysbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	Looks like 135# would put it at the top of B/SA. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge [Re: dannysbee] #689587 05/06/10 12:49 AM 05/06/10 12:49 AM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Quote: What class would a 64 Savoy with 415 hp engine, auto and steel front end fit into? Has anyone tried any of the latest Max Wedge Head offerings from Mopar performance? What other cars would you be competeing with? Oops, it is a Savoy, not a Fury or Sport Fury Sorry for the inacuraties(SP?) Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

383man [Re: Cab_Burge] #689588 05/06/10 12:58 AM 05/06/10 12:58 AM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	This Max Wedge steel nose 64 Plymouth ran B/SA and could have run A/SA with some weight removed. What I dont know is the rules when it has the aluminum nose and scoop ?? Seems most in Stock are steel nose no scoop cars. I believe they built 145 Max Wedge 64 Plymouth's and about 100 were aluminum nose cars so I thought most would run the scoop. Or does it have to have the aluminum front end to use the scoop ?? Ron Last edited by 383man; 05/06/10 12:59 AM.

Re: 383man [Re: 383man] #689589 05/06/10 01:09 AM 05/06/10 01:09 AM
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Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,157 Bend,OR USA	Ron, to be NHRA legal you have to have the aluminum front end to run the aluminum hood with the aluminum scoop, at least the last time I heard anyways. That can be changed on a whim from NHRA Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: 383man [Re: Cab_Burge] #689590 05/06/10 06:51 AM 05/06/10 06:51 AM
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Jacob Pitt master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 2,528 Mansfield, Tx	You'll want to stay out of A/SA because of all the new Mustangs and Challengers that are not factored right. They are way fast and in a heads up race it would be tough to outrun them. 2013 NHRA D4 Stock Champ #4 in the World IHRA Stock 2x IHRA Div.4 Stock Champ 14x Track Champ All using a Ultimate Converter Concepts converter. Call Lenny today 704-892-6837

Re: 383man [Re: Jacob Pitt] #689591 05/06/10 06:59 AM 05/06/10 06:59 AM
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Tommy D mopar T Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 411 Harleysville, PA USA	I believe the top cars in B/SA are running very low tens right now (10.08 or so). Some have gone faster. There are a bunch that run in the 10.30-10.40 range. It will cost huge money or huge time...probably both to build a competative car. Then you get torn down for running a good number. IMO build it the way you want and run it in Nostalgia Super Stock. The money is close to the same with no tear downs. Good luck. 64 Savoys are my favorite of all time. As Jerry Stein says, "Wedge em out!"

Re: 383man [Re: Tommy D] #689592 05/06/10 07:57 AM 05/06/10 07:57 AM
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scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Lately anything in the upper classes of stock with a carb has been served for lunch. A 383 would be a much better choice.

Re: NHRA Stocker 64 Max Wedge [Re: dannysbee] #689593 05/06/10 09:15 AM 05/06/10 09:15 AM
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sixpackbee master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,060 Western New York	If you have the car a 426 Street Wedge is a decent package. As stated above AA, A, & B are real Hornet nests right now. The late MP 518 heads are not real good. They need a lot of work to get them to work. Better pff finding the hens teeth that are the real McCoy. One more note the Stage 3 intake is better than the early ones too. More Hens teeth to find. 1959 Bugeye Sprite 1967 Charger Black L code 1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner 1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM 1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96 1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car 1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85 1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96 1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13 1971 MG Midget 1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57 1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21

Re: 383man [Re: 383man] #689594 05/06/10 11:33 AM 05/06/10 11:33 AM
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mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	Quote: What I dont know is the rules when it has the aluminum nose and scoop ?? Seems most in Stock are steel nose no scoop cars. I believe they built 145 Max Wedge 64 Plymouth's and about 100 were aluminum nose cars so I thought most would run the scoop. Or does it have to have the aluminum front end to use the scoop ?? Ron The last time I saw a complete aluminum nose for a 1964 Plymouth (fenders, hood and scoop to make it legal for Stock or SS), the price was about $20k. NHRA should look at equivalent weight replacement fiberglass parts as a cost savings for racers. Or, at least allow a fiberglass hood and scoop and make them run steel fenders. It appears to me that NHRA doesn't want anyone to run the light weight package. I'd try to contact John Shaul in NY about that combo. I think he's the fastest MW car out there in Stock. He did a set of carbs that I bought from Bogner several years ago. Floyd Lippencott IV

383man [Re: mr_340] #689595 05/06/10 12:45 PM 05/06/10 12:45 PM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	I believe this car was originally built by John Shaul as it is owned by Danny Jones right now and my brother drives it. It runs in the 10.40 to 10.70 area running B/SA. I would think NHRA would let them at least run a glass scoop since no one make an aluminum one. I have seen 63 and 64 Max Wedge cars dip in the 9's now and then on good tracks on good days. I believe John Shaul has run 9.70's with his 64 AA/SA car. They look so much cooler with the scoop also. Ron

Re: 383man [Re: 383man] #689596 05/06/10 01:00 PM 05/06/10 01:00 PM
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dannysbee OP master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,160 Texas	You can buy the scoop in aluminum or steel but it is a all or none deal with NHRA. To run the scoop you have to run the aluminum fenders and hood. Getting old just means you were smarter than some and luckier than others.

Re: 383man [Re: dannysbee] #689597 05/06/10 02:26 PM 05/06/10 02:26 PM
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Barnstorm mopar Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 644 Minnesota	Can run a scoop only with single 4bbl Nascar Hemi and only the steel front. The little old lady from Pasadena is back!

Re: 383man [Re: Barnstorm] #689598 05/06/10 05:42 PM 05/06/10 05:42 PM
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JAKE68 pro stock J Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,495 Shelby mi.	I may be wrong but I think the scooped alum front end is a super stock designated item only. Not legal for stock. I believe the package was only available with 425 hp. JAKES AUTOMOTIVE

383man [Re: JAKE68] #689599 05/06/10 06:12 PM 05/06/10 06:12 PM
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383man Too Many Posts 3 Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 27,421 Balt. Md	Quote: I may be wrong but I think the scooped alum front end is a super stock designated item only. Not legal for stock. I believe the package was only available with 425 hp. I believe thats definetly right for 63. I know Plymouth built 1196 Max Wedge cars in 63 and only 40 were the aluminum front end cars. And as you said they were all 425 hp engines and in the Savoy only from what I remember. Now in 64 only 245 Plymoth Max Wedge and Hemi cars were built. I believe it was 155 Maxie cars and 90 Hemi cars. Dont remember how many were aluminum cars. Ron

Re: 383man [Re: JAKE68] #689600 05/08/10 12:00 PM 05/08/10 12:00 PM
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mr_340 master M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,504 DFW	Quote: I may be wrong but I think the scooped alum front end is a super stock designated item only. Not legal for stock. I believe the package was only available with 425 hp. Look at the classification guide I posted near the top. The aluminum nose and scoop is legal for Stock (and SS). You would have to run the high compression MW and the factor is 7.61 to put a Savoy in AA/SA, or add weight to drop to A/SA. The factor with the LC MW is 8.18 with steel nose and flat hood. Natural A/SA car, move up or down a class. Floyd Lippencott IV

Re: 383man [Re: mr_340] #689601 05/08/10 01:24 PM 05/08/10 01:24 PM
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52savoy master 5 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,231 State of retirement	Quote: Quote: What I dont know is the rules when it has the aluminum nose and scoop ?? Seems most in Stock are steel nose no scoop cars. I believe they built 145 Max Wedge 64 Plymouth's and about 100 were aluminum nose cars so I thought most would run the scoop. Or does it have to have the aluminum front end to use the scoop ?? Ron The last time I saw a complete aluminum nose for a 1964 Plymouth (fenders, hood and scoop to make it legal for Stock or SS), the price was about $20k. NHRA should look at equivalent weight replacement fiberglass parts as a cost savings for racers. Or, at least allow a fiberglass hood and scoop and make them run steel fenders. It appears to me that NHRA doesn't want anyone to run the light weight package. I'd try to contact John Shaul in NY about that combo. I think he's the fastest MW car out there in Stock. He did a set of carbs that I bought from Bogner several years ago. Seeing that the price of aluminum has went up so much I thought you should know what AMD is up to.. http://www.autometaldirect.com/ It's time we lobby AMD!

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