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Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688130 05/04/10 06:34 PM 05/04/10 06:34 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,682 On the parachute mount N n20mstr master
n20mstr master N Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,682 On the parachute mount	these things happen, Only thing i dont like, that oil pan seems like it has almost no baffling to keep the oil in the sump, Id put an external pickup on there if for nothing else but to get a good solidly welded baffle on there to keep oil in the sump under accleration. Only a sugestion as im sure Scott knows a lot more than me...LOL ....BAD A$$ STREET CAR.....

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: n20mstr] #688131 05/04/10 07:10 PM 05/04/10 07:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio C CHAPPER master
CHAPPER master C Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 3,410 Belpre,Ohio	Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, If you like drag racing, support your local track.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: CHAPPER] #688132 05/04/10 07:19 PM 05/04/10 07:19 PM
Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,511 PA moparacer master
moparacer master Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 2,511 PA	Looks bad but you are lucky it didn't decide to kick the #3 and #4 rods out in the traps the way they look. J.M.O. but I would throw the cam in the scrap pile too. Did it throw any debris up behind the piston skirts and scuff up the cylinder walls? Any time I ever had a mishap like that it did. 67 Barracuda street/bracket car 11.27-119 68 Dart 502 BB 8.70s-152 414 cid SB Dragster 7.65-174

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Chris'sBarracuda] #688133 05/04/10 07:38 PM 05/04/10 07:38 PM
Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere S S/ST 3040 master
S/ST 3040 master S Joined: Jul 2006 Posts: 4,595 On the south side of Nowhere	Quote: Quote: Sorta strange to float the exhaust valves, they are lighter than the intakes... were these new springs? But isn't the exhaust much closer and chasing the valve? Chris.. The exhaust valves are the ones trying to get closed before the piston catches them. Intakes are opening as the piston travels downward on the "intake stroke" and usually in closest proximity to each other between 5� and 10� ATDC. If a piston hits an intake valve, it was either assembled wrong or something went VERY wrong. I hope it's not too expensive Bill.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688134 05/04/10 07:58 PM 05/04/10 07:58 PM
Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH B blownzoom440
blownzoom440 B Joined: Jul 2005 Posts: 8,647 ELYRIA,OH	with the valve marks on the pistons will there be other signs of dammage on the pushrods,rockers,lifters,cam?i was looking at the oiling path and thinking if maybe it starved the oil somehow to the rod and the valve events maybe had something to do with it.it would take a lot for that to happin i think. 5964235-5041729-oildiagram.jpg (30 downloads) Last edited by METAL STORM; 05/04/10 08:33 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688135 05/04/10 08:31 PM 05/04/10 08:31 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT M moper I Live Here
moper I Live Here M Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,675 Columbia, CT	Racing with old springs is a problem and might be why they kissed on some but not all. Also, it's a flat tappet... You can be bleeding oil out certain lifters if they are loose too. Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: blownzoom440] #688136 05/04/10 08:40 PM 05/04/10 08:40 PM
Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,443 Maryland D Dads426 pro stock
Dads426 pro stock D Joined: May 2007 Posts: 1,443 Maryland	Curious to know what the #2 main bearing looked like? (missing in pic). Did it slip out of the tab and partially block the oil hole in the block? That rod would have gotten oil from #2 main. Oil hole in crank clear? 2012 422 Allstars NSS Champion 2013 422 Allstars NSS Champion 2014 422 Allstars NSS Champion

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: moper] #688137 05/04/10 08:53 PM 05/04/10 08:53 PM
Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee 7 727builder super stock
727builder super stock 7 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,064 Tennessee	I think the 7700 rpms hurt it. Few friends run that 555 solid comp cam and about 6400 it's out of power for them. Think i would toss the stock main bolts and throw in some arp main bolts. Hope you get her back together soon. Good luck! What a voice!!!! http://www.godvine.com/10-Year-Old-Boy-with-Autism-Sings-Open-the-Eyes-of-My-Heart-1041.html

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Dads426] #688138 05/04/10 08:55 PM 05/04/10 08:55 PM
Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK 6 602heavy pro stock
602heavy pro stock 6 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,200 UK	Quote: Curious to know what the #2 main bearing looked like? (missing in pic). Did it slip out of the tab and partially block the oil hole in the block? That rod would have gotten oil from #2 main. Oil hole in crank clear? #2 rod looks fine so thinking some debris got lodged in oil way from #2 main journal to #3 rod journal. .....................did #3 piston hit the head? , may of egged the rod journal causing the overheat issues. Last edited by 602heavy; 05/04/10 09:07 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688139 05/04/10 09:15 PM 05/04/10 09:15 PM
Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A. roadhazard master
roadhazard master Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 3,675 Akron, Ohio U.S.A.	Wow, worse than I thought it was going to be. What side did the fuel come out of the header? The left?? Wish I still had my spare .613 Ultradyne for you to try You have my # if you need me

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: 602heavy] #688140 05/04/10 09:15 PM 05/04/10 09:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio dartman366 I Live Here
dartman366 I Live Here Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 13,247 Mt. Vernon, Ohio	it's bad enough to mess thing's up for you but not messed up enough to ruin every thing, from the pic's crank look's fixable, the burn't rod's are toast and the cam is junk, at least it didn't trash the block, as far as the witness mark's on the piston's,, look's like some valve float from the over rev, and I have seen worse,,,let see 10 day's till Columbus and it's all in the shop,,,,,,you might be in the trailer hooking everything up while Dad is driving the motorhome down the interstate,,,but it can be done. if you need anything,,then let me know. Light travels faster than the speed of sound,,,this is why some people seem bright untill you hear them speak.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dartman366] #688141 05/04/10 09:41 PM 05/04/10 09:41 PM
Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,414 Stow ,Ohio D demon440 pro stock
demon440 pro stock D Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,414 Stow ,Ohio	I have a stock, 10 under forged crank in my 440. Let me know if you need it.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: WILD BILL] #688142 05/04/10 09:55 PM 05/04/10 09:55 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Sorry to see that, and it sucks too see all that cash go up in smoke for you. Atleast it didnt make an unexpended window, and wipe out the car going through the traps. I wish i had bi block parts cause Id help if i could. Kasey

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: demon440] #688143 05/04/10 09:58 PM 05/04/10 09:58 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South DaKuda super stock
DaKuda super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South	Question....did you run Synthetic oil with Alky?? Have a friend that had one do the same thing. A very well know engine shop told us never run synthetic oil with our Alky. We have since changed to Valvoline VR-1 race oil with no problems since. His was running synthetic and only ran a short time. Did the SAME things yours did minus the valve float/piston problems..... Last edited by DaKuda; 05/04/10 11:20 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: CHAPPER] #688144 05/04/10 10:09 PM 05/04/10 10:09 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: Stock block, stock crank, stock main caps/bolts, old valve springs, stock oiling system...7700RPM.. looks like normal expectations to me. I don't want or mean to cause any anger,,but if you are going to run stock parts,,stay in the 6000 RPM area. I didn't really want to comment on this,,but I have watched your engine build thread and wondered just how it would turn out. I hoped it would be GREAT as I would possibly follow your foot steps ,, Kaleno block... i dont understand using no studs though Mopar Performance

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: DaKuda] #688145 05/04/10 10:21 PM 05/04/10 10:21 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill D dennismopar73 top fuel
dennismopar73 top fuel D Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,177 ill	type of oil nothin to do with this Last edited by dennismopar73; 05/04/10 10:22 PM.

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688146 05/04/10 10:42 PM 05/04/10 10:42 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again Moparnut426 I Live Here
Moparnut426 I Live Here Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 12,008 Finally a HUSKER again	Quote: type of oil nothin to do with this I wouldnt laugh too hard, I have heard the same thing and NONE of my Dirt car buddies who run drunk engines run synthetic. They do however run Brad Penn which has some synthetic addiitives. They all have told me similar things dealing with fast wear issues. Kasey

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: Moparnut426] #688147 05/04/10 10:50 PM 05/04/10 10:50 PM
Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan B1Fish540 master
B1Fish540 master Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,840 Flint, Michigan	Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you!

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: dennismopar73] #688148 05/04/10 10:56 PM 05/04/10 10:56 PM
Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South DaKuda super stock
DaKuda super stock Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 1,015 Down South	Quote: type of oil nothin to do with this You have now shown your ignorance...

Re: Tear down has begun [Re: B1Fish540] #688149 05/04/10 11:22 PM 05/04/10 11:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 781 MD HEMI472 super stock
HEMI472 super stock Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 781 MD	Quote: Wow, what a roller coaster ride this has been! Cant believe this has happened, Bill. I hope Scott makes it all good for you...I think he should throw in a new cam and crank for you! so whos going to pay for this???????????????? you or scott???????????

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