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Monroney labels have been considered novelties for years....I could care less about your VIN decals..... the cars I am interested in...is not enough to decide what is best for the rest of the hobby...

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Wow Jim,
And you consider me to be the "arrogant" one? Do you see a resounding theme of "you" and "I" in everything you convey? Why don't you alter a Monroney label and think about it only being a "novelty" while sitting in a Federal Prison? As I said earlier....did this become a "bad" thing for what it actually is or because YOU are now aware of it? Hmmmmmm and I am the arrogant one....

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It is quite comical how those who constantly chase and desire money, always conclude that it is the ONLY motivating factor for others! Again Jim, I appreciate you telling me my true intentions!

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So Dave are you saying that all the products that you offer you sell at a LOSS ???

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Simple test on how to tell an original sheet vs. a reproduction sheet.

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Barry....you HAVE to get your thoughts away from constant suspicions that we are trying to make reproduction build sheets in order to fool people. I have no problem with you telling the World the variances that you have found as they relate to the "real" ones. As I said before, we are a very successful company built on quality, honesty, service and ethics. I do not care if these things are ever used for anything but kindling paper for the fire place! Every product we manufacture is made to help our customers in one fashion or another. For the ten millionth time for goodness sakes......WE OBTAIN THE PROPER LICENSING FOR ANYTHING WE SELL WITH THE CHRYSLER LOGO! WHY DO YOU CONTINUE TO GROUP US WITH THE COUNTERFEITERS AND THOSE WHO HIDE IN THE SHADOWS AND DO THINGS FOR DISHONEST GAIN? They do not go through the proper channels to offer the things they do! THAT is what makes them the "crooks" Barry!

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Dave are you saying that all the products that you offer you sell at a LOSS ???

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Quite honestly John I would have to answer "YES" to that question for quite a few of our products. Our Sister company (www.ecsvin.com) pays for the development of MANY things that we offer through our Classic product line. I am constantly heckled by our accountant for "borrowing" profits from one to pay for the other. Our Window Stickers cost in the THOUSANDS of dollars to manufacture and we lost anywhere from $45-$50 on everyone we sold. We had to stop making them. We invested thousands of dollars in our Carpeting line and might never break even on the program. There are countless items that we may never be profitable with but I love the industry and it is my passion. Don't get me wrong! We do very well in some areas but if it was left to Howard Rosen (our financial adviser) there would be MANY products discontinued that a lot of you guys have enjoyed putting on your vehicles!

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I thought you were not talking to me anymore?...
If these sheets hits the streets, sooner or later a car seller will try & pass one off as original.

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Barry, You will find that I am quite rationale to talk to when your comments are not filled with sarcasm and negative innuendos. I appreciate any "genuine" comments or questions of concern. Thank you!

I understand your concerns Barry but couldn't that logic apply with anything we sell? We can only do the best we can to ensure that unethical things don't happen. The US treasury has not stopped printing currency because there are a bunch of crooks associated with trying to counterfeit it! Sporting Goods stores still sell Baseball Bats for Sports even though crooks use them to beat people! How reserved should we be in trying to prevent every negative thing that could occur? If I acted on every little thing that the crooks "might" do, I would have to close the business!

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I could care less about your VIN decals, the cars I am interested in never had them and many of the "documents" you reproduce are not used on these cars.

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you are darned right I take exception to what you are doing!

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Which is it Jim? Like I said earlier; what has actually changed except "YOUR" awareness. These are not for sale. I doubt seriously that it was my reproduction sheets you heard about! And for the record Jim, I am ten thousand times the "MOPAR GUY" that you are and I have the license to prove it!

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And there will suddenly be more W23 code cars showing up that were never really built. Nothing good will come or reproducing broadcast sheets.

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By all means Eric you should turn in who ever might be responsible for doing something like that and shut them down. I am 100% with you on getting rid of those people who are trying to scam the industry!

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And there will suddenly be more W23 code cars showing up that were never really built. Nothing good will come or reproducing broadcast sheets.

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By all means Eric you should personally hunt down who ever might be responsible for doing something like that and shut them down. I am 100% with you on getting rid of those people who are trying to scam the industry!

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I said this before that the making of broadcast sheets for our hobby was done along time before Darrel or Dave got involved with them.
Who sets the standards to which the mopar hobby will follow on this issue. Will it be my standards or will it be the majority of peoples standards or will there be any standards or ethic at all.

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