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440 source mini-starter #677105 04/22/10 10:03 AM 04/22/10 10:03 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 128 Tampa, FL G Garranimal OP member
Garranimal OP member G Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 128 Tampa, FL	does anyone know if the 440 Source mini starter is any different in size/configuration from the standard 90's mopar/parts store mini starter or from the actual mopar part numbered mini? I have a set of doug's headers on a 383 and they hit the 440 source mini starter and even after some massaging with a big 'ford wrench'. I am trying to decide whether i should pull the starter and try either an old style or another style mini. Thanks everyone in advance. -Garrett

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677106 04/22/10 01:21 PM 04/22/10 01:21 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Same as the factory mini. Actually I think it is the factory short mini not the long. Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: HealthServices] #677107 04/22/10 01:24 PM 04/22/10 01:24 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,005 Reno, Nevada NV69B7RR master
NV69B7RR master Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 6,005 Reno, Nevada	I have a MP mini starter (bought from Summit) and Dougs headers on my 512 (440) and everything fits fine. 72 Demon 340 71 Duster 340 Resto https://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/show...part=1&vc=1

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677108 04/22/10 01:25 PM 04/22/10 01:25 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	I'm picking up a "mini starter" today form Advanced Auto. $79. I've used them in the past. It makes for an easier instal if you grind down on the case some. It takes about 20 seconds w/ a grinder to get it done. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677109 04/22/10 01:30 PM 04/22/10 01:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Got pictures? Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677110 04/22/10 01:39 PM 04/22/10 01:39 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA I ireland383 super stock
ireland383 super stock I Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 843 Suffolk,VA	Obviously a 440 is wider than a 383 making the starter touch even more on the 383. I have the Summit mini and it still touches on the outer most corner. I'm suprised it hasn't baked the starter yet. Last edited by ireland383; 04/22/10 01:59 PM.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677111 04/22/10 01:46 PM 04/22/10 01:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Comparison between a stock mini and something like the Robbmc starter. click to see larger Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: HealthServices] #677112 04/22/10 01:49 PM 04/22/10 01:49 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Got pictures? not here. It's more for bolt/wrench clearance. It's on the bottom of the case where the lower bolt mounts

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677113 04/22/10 02:33 PM 04/22/10 02:33 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,445 So Cal Sinitro master
Sinitro master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,445 So Cal	Brandon made a bulk purchase of the Nippon-Denso mini-starters, good value. We put one on our 440. Be sure to replace the shim as well.. Just my $0.01..

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Garranimal] #677114 04/22/10 09:15 PM 04/22/10 09:15 PM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee R rbstroker super stock
rbstroker super stock R Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee	I have been pleased with my purchases from the source EXCEPT for the two mini starters I bought. Both have the same problem with not working until the engine cools. One is on a 496 stroker and one is on a basically stock 360 LA. The 360 is a drag car. The problem was so bad that I actually went back to the stock starter on it. This is the land of the free because of the brave

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: rbstroker] #677115 04/23/10 09:00 AM 04/23/10 09:00 AM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma V Von master
Von master V Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3,698 NE Oklahoma	Quote: I have been pleased with my purchases from the source EXCEPT for the two mini starters I bought. Both have the same problem with not working until the engine cools. One is on a 496 stroker and one is on a basically stock 360 LA. The 360 is a drag car. The problem was so bad that I actually went back to the stock starter on it. OH SNAP!! My source starter is doing the same thing. I was getting ready to change the battery cable, (4 gauge with battery in the trunk) and I wondered if some,part,all, of it might be the starter. Anybody else experience heat soak with the source starter on a regular basis? 72 RR, Pump gas 440, 452s, 3800 lbs, Corked, ET Radials,. 11.33@117.72. Same car, bone stock 346s, 9.5 comp, baby solid. 12.24@110.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Von] #677116 04/23/10 09:23 AM 04/23/10 09:23 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Quote: I have been pleased with my purchases from the source EXCEPT for the two mini starters I bought. Both have the same problem with not working until the engine cools. One is on a 496 stroker and one is on a basically stock 360 LA. The 360 is a drag car. The problem was so bad that I actually went back to the stock starter on it. OH SNAP!! My source starter is doing the same thing. I was getting ready to change the battery cable, (4 gauge with battery in the trunk) and I wondered if some,part,all, of it might be the starter. Anybody else experience heat soak with the source starter on a regular basis? I had the same problem w/ an auto parts starter. Try and shield the starter some if you can. The Hooker super comps I have now don't seem to come as close so I hope I won't have the same issue. FWIW a hammer and a jack handle will fix the "no-start" issue.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Mr.Yuck] #677117 04/23/10 11:46 AM 04/23/10 11:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,374 Houston,Tx. L Lee446 pro stock
Lee446 pro stock L Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,374 Houston,Tx.	I bought a 440Source starter about a year ago. It works fine, but I am sure it is not a Denso, does not look at all like it. I went to O'Reilly and bought a new "Optima" for $89 and it is the exact same, made in China starter as my Source starter.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Lee446] #677118 04/23/10 11:53 AM 04/23/10 11:53 AM
Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 26 Cleveland, OH F fury413rb member
fury413rb member F Joined: Feb 2010 Posts: 26 Cleveland, OH	i pulled a starter of a junkyard '96 Ram with a 5.2 and currently have it on my 413. looks the same as my old 440source and works fine. Last edited by fury413rb; 04/23/10 11:54 AM.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Lee446] #677119 04/23/10 12:10 PM 04/23/10 12:10 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: I bought a 440Source starter about a year ago. It works fine, but I am sure it is not a Denso, does not look at all like it. I went to O'Reilly and bought a new "Optima" for $89 and it is the exact same, made in China starter as my Source starter. haha I just got one form Advanced yesterday..made in mexico.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Mr.Yuck] #677120 04/23/10 06:11 PM 04/23/10 06:11 PM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA S Silverbullet2 mopar
Silverbullet2 mopar S Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 580 North Carolina, USA	Mine actually touched my hemi manifolds before I did a little grinding. Thought about trying to make a shield cause it's so close. Car's not running yet so thanks for the warning!

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: Silverbullet2] #677121 04/23/10 07:44 PM 04/23/10 07:44 PM
Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 93 CA M mojavered member
mojavered member M Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 93 CA	Can you please post a couple pics of the area that you had to grind down (before and after if possible) to get the starter to fit better? With the heat problems, are these ceramic coated headers involved? 71 Challenger RT 440 / 727 / 8.75

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: mojavered] #677122 04/24/10 10:35 AM 04/24/10 10:35 AM
Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee R rbstroker super stock
rbstroker super stock R Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,139 West Tennessee	My big block has ceramic coated headers, and has major heat soak issues. The 360 had a heat shield with no success. It was so bad that the car would not crank in the staging lanes. Cranked fine when cold. No problem with the stock starter on the 360. This is the land of the free because of the brave

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: mojavered] #677123 04/24/10 05:13 PM 04/24/10 05:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Quote: Can you please post a couple pics of the area that you had to grind down (before and after if possible) to get the starter to fit better? With the heat problems, are these ceramic coated headers involved? the new one I bought has a smaller top, not as much casing so I won't need to grind it. It was more to get a wrench on it easier not for fit.

Re: 440 source mini-starter [Re: mojavered] #677124 04/24/10 06:35 PM 04/24/10 06:35 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal HealthServices Why would you even post that?
HealthServices Why would you even post that? Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 7,759 So Cal	Quote: Can you please post a couple pics of the area that you had to grind down (before and after if possible) to get the starter to fit better? With the heat problems, are these ceramic coated headers involved? If you have to grind it down to clear the header then the tubes are too close and will have heat soak issues, get another style starter. Allen Here's a novel idea, let's not throw a bunch of parts at the car hoping it will fix the problem and instead spend a little time diagnosing it first. Life was a little easier when I was just a wrench.

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