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running 13 with a big block #659788
04/03/10 12:21 PM
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This winter I have been reading old mopar mags and wondering how people have such fast cars.

These are near stock 340's, 318's and mild 440's running consistently in the 12's in the quarter.

The last time I raced was with my mild 440 and my best time was a 15.4 @ 94mph. Embarassing.

Anyway, since then I have put a 383 in my car and haven't made it to the track.

Here is the currently combo
1971 roadrunner

-383 with 9.1:1 compression

-comp XE262H 462/470 lift 262/270 duration cam

-mild pocket port 452 heads with stock "smaller" valves.

-Mopar M1 dual plane intake

-Edelbrock 750 cfm carb with K&N filter, open 6pak scoop hood.

-Headman headers, 2-1/2 dual exhaust with X pipe.

-FBO electronic ignition, mechanical advance

-automatic trans, 2400-ish stall converter

-Sure grip rear end with 3:55 gears

Our elevation here in utah is approx 4500 feet above sea level, and the car runs awesome on the street. Definately not a king of street, but reliable and runs strong.

I have yet to run this combo at the track, but I have seen "stock" 383's run low 13's in the quarter.

Is there any reason why this combo I have should not dip into the 13's?

Anyway, for a cold day here in Utah this is all I have to do at the moment, so what are your thoughts?

Oh, the dream (if finances permits) would be a keisler 5 speed behind this setup, which would really wake it up!

anyway, thanks for reading, what are your thoughts?

eight


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Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: eightlitermopar] #659789
04/03/10 12:34 PM
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A big part is your altitude. At 4500+ ft your probbably 1 to 2 seconds slower than if you were running at sea level.

The cars weight, gearing, and traction (60' time) also make a big difference. If you can launch the car at 5,000+ RPM and get it to hook you could reduce 60' times by about 1/2 second compared to launching at low rpm because the car won't hook up.

Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: 451Mopar] #659790
04/03/10 07:43 PM
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Tuning is a big one, many performance combos fall short because of a poorly tuned carb/distributor advance curve.

Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: DaytonaTurbo] #659791
04/04/10 01:25 AM
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My old 383 was very similar to yours, with a little more converter and gear. It ran 13.7's at 101 in a B-Body on street tires, and I was pretty happy with that. I'm in the Seattle area, with little / no altitude. I don't know what the altitude will do to ya, but I would think mid/low 14's should be do-able.


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Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: eightlitermopar] #659792
04/04/10 09:02 AM
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Quote:

This winter I have been reading old mopar mags and wondering how people have such fast cars.

These are near stock 340's, 318's and mild 440's running consistently in the 12's in the quarter.

The last time I raced was with my mild 440 and my best time was a 15.4 @ 94mph. Embarassing.


anyway, thanks for reading, what are your thoughts?

eight




One thing is many people had their vacuum advance on ported vacuum and it was in the mix the wrong way and since there is 0 vacuum at WOT people were going down the track with 20 or so total degrees timing when 34 to 38 gives yo the pop you want.

So the distributor you got is the best way to work with a HP engine

Your cam is a tad small but so is your TQ so they should be fine together.

many people way over jet their carbs!! Carbs are jetted to give optimum AF for the air being drawn through them carbs do not know what motor is under them so a size or two jetting for compression and altitude are all that is needed.
at that altitude I would think 69/70 front jets with a 6.5 pv front and 78's rear no PV would be close.

The single plane intake may be off for your combo a but the M1's work better down low than most single planes. a RPM performer may be a better choice.

You will have to find your shift point but I would think 5400 maybe try up to 5700. Test and tune

60 foot is everything ever tenth you shave off there usually gives 2 tenths in the quarter.
so with your gear look to a 26 inch tall slick or a sticky street but in the same 26 inch tall area for the track.
I would go slicks and have at her.

Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: Dodgem] #659793
04/04/10 12:07 PM
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Thanks for the reply guys...

I will run a baseline when the track opens and go from there.

The intake is the mopar M1 dual plane, I should specify that. I wouldn't dare run a single plane on this motor!

I have decided if I do make a cam swap, I will change up to the comp XE268H and swap to a 2800 stall converter.

This way I am not going major overkill and still am streetable for the 200-300 mile road trips.

Plus, the cam is still close enough to the cam I have now so I don't think I will have to mess with the distributor.

Anyway, thanks for the input. I really appreciate it!

Any more ideas out there, keep them coming!


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Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: eightlitermopar] #659794
04/04/10 12:18 PM
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Should be fine with M1 dual plane let us know how it runs!

Re: running 13 with a big block [Re: Dodgem] #659795
04/04/10 02:42 PM
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Had a 69 RR w/4 sp,383 4 barrel and 323 gears. Stone stock ran 14.79 with 90,000 miles. When I pulled the motor it barely had a lip at the top of the cylinder.







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