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Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? #658020 04/01/10 01:33 PM 04/01/10 01:33 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354 K kielbasa OP enthusiast
kielbasa OP enthusiast K Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354	Hi guys....will be ordering a PPP shifter for my car (mostly street driven). I'll be running a reverse pattern - and I'm guessing it's a lot easier to the slam the shifter forward (while upshifting) instead of pulling the trigger and handle back? I'm used to my slapstick and assumed forward motion is just easier than pulling back. However, I noticed in a lot of shifter pics that several race cars pull back to upshift....would seem clumsy to me. Am I missing something, or is it a personal preference thing? Thanks for any info!!

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: kielbasa] #658021 04/01/10 01:52 PM 04/01/10 01:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,173 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,173 Bend,OR USA	I prefer the reverse pattern valve bodys and shifters, it is pretty hard to go from third to nuetral while shifting back towards the stop in the shifter. I have shifted from 3rd to nuetral in a forward pattern valve body and shifter Also into reverse once I no longer try to shift the the trans into nuetral at the finish line, no matter what One thing bad about the reverse pattern shifters that are not a lever activated or a click type rachet shifter is that if you leave your hand on the shifter and leave hard in 1st gear you can shift it into 2nd on the hit I have the TA, Fairbanks type shifters and love them I have had a driven other cars with a lot of other brands annd types of shifters and I like the TA type best Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: Cab_Burge] #658022 04/01/10 02:40 PM 04/01/10 02:40 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,979 new jersey usa 1 11secdart master
11secdart master 1 Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 4,979 new jersey usa	Mine is a Turbo Action Cheetah shifter and Turbo Action reverse pattern manual valve body. Easier to pull than push 5901201-GregVanEssPhotography-IslandDragway11-1-09-_DSC3533.mht (77 downloads) 68 Dart 410 / 904 92 D150 original owner 21 Ram 1500 Quad Cab, Big Horn , Hemi ,4x4 23 Audi Q5 16 Honda HRV

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: kielbasa] #658023 04/01/10 02:44 PM 04/01/10 02:44 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 70 Calif, USA V viperrt member
viperrt member V Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 70 Calif, USA	I have a PPP once you are in 1st you only pull the handle back ie; no lever to touch. Pulling is better.

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: viperrt] #658024 04/01/10 03:05 PM 04/01/10 03:05 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C. Streetwize master
Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,875 Weddington, N.C.	Another advantage to a RVB is low gear is only one click away from neutral....nice when you're pre-staged if you want to clear the throttle one good time before rolling into the second beam to stage. Less to think about is better Last edited by Streetwize; 04/01/10 03:38 PM. WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: Streetwize] #658025 04/01/10 03:23 PM 04/01/10 03:23 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	I prefer to PUSH .... 'da buttons ...

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: Streetwize] #658026 04/01/10 03:25 PM 04/01/10 03:25 PM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ M maximum entropy master
maximum entropy master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 5,080 organ	Quote: Another advantage to a RVB is low geatr is only one click away from neutral....nice when you're pre-staged if you want to clear the throttle one good time before rolling into the second beam to stage. Less to think about is better that's why i went with reverse. for what is the good life if not doing things thoughtfully?

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: maximum entropy] #658027 04/01/10 04:05 PM 04/01/10 04:05 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 637 Kokomo,IN StripeHOG mopar
StripeHOG mopar Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 637 Kokomo,IN	I'd rather pull my shifter, but the shiftnoid won't let me!!! dang that thing can bite hard LOL Andrew Brough D372 1969 Dodge Dart GTS 1.43 60'best 6.82 1/8 98mph "the light came on and I ran out of talent"

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: maximum entropy] #658028 04/01/10 04:10 PM 04/01/10 04:10 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,653 Near Reading PA USA pinkduster master
pinkduster master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,653 Near Reading PA USA	My Road Runner had a rev pattern manual valvebody and some sort of B&M shifter (with the factory console) when I bought it. I hated every minute of it. You can't shift to neutral from third if you want to coast. The reverse lockout was a pain in the butt. I also had problems with the cable that eventually left me stranded. I took all that stuff out. Had my friend go through my trans after I lost reverse and had him install a forward pattern manual valvebody. Now I'm running all the factory slap stick parts and it works great. Just slap it through the gears like Mother Mopar intended.

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: viperrt] #658029 04/01/10 05:38 PM 04/01/10 05:38 PM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354 K kielbasa OP enthusiast
kielbasa OP enthusiast K Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354	Quote: I have a PPP once you are in 1st you only pull the handle back ie; no lever to touch. Pulling is better. but don't you pull the lever anyways when pulling the entire handle back?

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: kielbasa] #658030 04/01/10 08:53 PM 04/01/10 08:53 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,377 Rancho Cordova, CA Exit1965 master
Exit1965 master Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 3,377 Rancho Cordova, CA	Well, I don't use a PPP shifter (I have a B&M pro ratchet) but I have a forward manual valve body and so I push up to shift up. I can't say I've tried a reverse pattern VB, but I do like pushing it up, with this ratchet shifter it's easy to just slam your hand into it and up it goes.

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: Exit1965] #658031 04/01/10 08:59 PM 04/01/10 08:59 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio VernMotor master
VernMotor master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 7,348 Mt.Vernon ,Ohio	Pull on my PPP

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: kielbasa] #658032 04/01/10 09:11 PM 04/01/10 09:11 PM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	I prefer to pull it... G force is heading in that direction also... I use a reverse V/B with a Pro- ratchet... has NEVER missed a shift... I also prefer to have the cable pulling... if you get the cable housing to close to the header it will melt the housing and the interior cable will pop out the side if you push the cabls... been there before then I changed ... JMO

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #658033 04/01/10 09:15 PM 04/01/10 09:15 PM
Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 28 WI. 4Huntin member
4Huntin member Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 28 WI.	If your making any power you gotta like the reverse manual. Just keep your hand of the shifter when you go. Steve

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: 4Huntin] #658034 04/01/10 09:29 PM 04/01/10 09:29 PM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 846 Long Island, NY Cudafied super stock
Cudafied super stock Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 846 Long Island, NY	My PPP shifter is a pull but I wish I got it as a push....Hands down the best shifter on the market

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: Cudafied] #658035 04/01/10 11:50 PM 04/01/10 11:50 PM
Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi 6 67HEMI super stock
67HEMI super stock 6 Joined: May 2008 Posts: 902 Mopar Lane,Mississippi	I like the reverse pattern on my Turbo Action Shifter. '33 Plymouth 5 Window Coupe Blown Aluminum HEMI w/bolt ons (under construction) '69 Chrysler 300 Convertible 375 HP 440 '71 Plymouth Duster 360 W/EFI (Wife's Ride) '12 Ram MegaCab Dually 6.7 Cummins

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: Cudafied] #658036 04/02/10 12:06 AM 04/02/10 12:06 AM
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI MR_P_BODY Master
MR_P_BODY Master Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 52,972 Romeo MI	Quote: My PPP shifter is a pull but I wish I got it as a push....Hands down the best shifter on the market Thats defiantly a personal preference... I myself think they look very cheap(a couple of alum plates with a few bolts holding it together).... might be efficient but cheap..... just my opinion Also do you have to hold the handle to make a shift, looks like it to me BUT I dont own one.... I know alot of guys like them

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: MR_P_BODY] #658037 04/02/10 12:36 AM 04/02/10 12:36 AM
Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,042 Mooresburg, Tn ' '72CudaRacer top fuel
'72CudaRacer top fuel ' Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,042 Mooresburg, Tn	I use a Turbo Action Cheeta manual, rev valve body and a B & M Pro Ratchet with a RPM activated air shifter. Don't pull or push. Brian

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: '72CudaRacer] #658038 04/02/10 07:55 AM 04/02/10 07:55 AM
Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354 K kielbasa OP enthusiast
kielbasa OP enthusiast K Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 354	hmmm, so some of you would rather pull, some would rather push.....pushing just seems so much easier (like I said, probably from being used to my slapstick - both hands on the wheel, when you need the next gear just hit the shifter and hand back on the wheel (i got manual steering).... but the drwback i found out is that i need a forward exiting cable if i want to push with a reverse manual valve body...maybe i'll just have to try it both ways?

Re: Shifting Manual Valve Body - Easier to Push, or Pull? [Re: kielbasa] #658039 04/02/10 08:02 AM 04/02/10 08:02 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,000 Tampa Florida dc426 gotta keep'm separated
dc426 gotta keep'm separated Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 5,000 Tampa Florida	I have a PPP that is a "Push" and that's with a RMVB. When I first got it with the car I was skeptical about "pushing". Now I won't have it any other way. I have too many friends that pull and sometimes pull too hard and go 1st to 3rd. It'll never happen with this shifter. DC

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