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Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: mac56] #608112
02/09/10 08:58 PM
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Here's what it looks like after you run the CNC through it to remove that annoying area and radius it....



Nice work, but then you have a reputation for nice work. Was this done so the counter weight didn't have to be cut or were there other facts?




I've always wanted to do it, so I did I've spent the time going from the lathe to mock up and still having fitment issues so I thought I'd eliminate the real problem. Now I don't have to put a half inch wide chamfer on a crank to keep it from hitting that spot nor do I have to whack the OD unless I want to do a "no holes" balance job. I've also turned the cranks down on some 4.375 combos and had to add a piece of heavy metal which I wouldn't have had to do if I had cut the block rather than the crank. Now If it's a combo that needs clearance at BDC, I only have to turn the crank(or cam cut the counterweight) enough to clear at BDC.

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: 440Jim] #608113
02/09/10 08:59 PM
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Here's what it looks like after you run the CNC through it to remove that annoying area and radius it....


That is nice looking.




Thank you.

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: CRE2004] #608114
02/10/10 06:38 AM
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Thanks for the pics and info guys. Very helpful.

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: mac56] #608115
02/10/10 06:01 PM
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There is at least one advantage in keeping the stock crank diameter; it puts the mass out to where it does the best job of balancing against the crankpin forces. To benefit from this advantage you need to cut the corners off the throws, which in total will make a lighter crank, than if it is just turned down. Look at recent Nascar cranks, they are made like this, they even put numbers of mallory metal in the slim counterweight, to save on mass in total. (But it makes no sense if you then bolt a heavy steel flywheel to the crank!) The question is if the machine shop will put the extra effort in the balancing, but it should be possible for a little extra fee to get the holes drilled out in the corners first for balancing the overweight crank. I am luck enough to have my own crank balancing machine!

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #608116
02/10/10 08:08 PM
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There is at least one advantage in keeping the stock crank diameter; it puts the mass out to where it does the best job of balancing against the crankpin forces. To benefit from this advantage you need to cut the corners off the throws, which in total will make a lighter crank, than if it is just turned down. Look at recent Nascar cranks, they are made like this, they even put numbers of mallory metal in the slim counterweight, to save on mass in total. (But it makes no sense if you then bolt a heavy steel flywheel to the crank!) The question is if the machine shop will put the extra effort in the balancing, but it should be possible for a little extra fee to get the holes drilled out in the corners first for balancing the overweight crank. I am luck enough to have my own crank balancing machine!



Thanks for you opinion.

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: Oyvind Mopar] #608117
02/11/10 12:04 AM
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one advantage in keeping the stock crank diameter

That's also the highest inertia for the amount of weight.


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Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: mac56] #608118
02/12/10 01:01 AM
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i've got 2 of these cranks
1 has been in race motor for over 9 years
running 9,80s 9,70s
the other has just been done
the shop did both the main turn down and
counter weights
cost 150$ for turn & $100 to turn radius
on counters
will not do any more
to easy to call 440 source send me 500 ci
stroke

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: dennismopar73] #608119
02/12/10 07:31 AM
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Believe me I know about debate on just ordering 500 stroker crank. I have been struggling with it for 2 months but I have all the parts necessary for a 470 build except the crank so, not only do I have the cut a factory crank or buy aftermarket dilemma. I also have should I leave these parts on the self for more inches. (that probably won't happen)
That brings us to the Canada factor. Some of the prices you guys talk about for having work done is like a dream here. Not sure why but machine work and getting new parts here comes at a substantial cost,
This post did answer the real question for me. I didn't realize there was a difference in the bottom of a B block compared to an RB block.(why counter weights interfere)
Sorry so long.

Re: ? about 440 crank in low deck [Re: mac56] #608120
02/12/10 06:18 PM
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I bought my crank at a swap meet, www.lsmeng.com magged ground and polished it for a reasonable price with good quality, and I worked the counterweights myself with angle grinder, sandpaper rolls, etc. I have maybe 2 1/2 or 3 hours work into it but spent alot of that time just staring at it.

Thought process: factory counterweights are not even close to being round, stock 440 cranks hold up just fine at 7000 rpm even with boat anchor pistons, and I see no reason why the modified counterweights have to be perfectly round either to run the same rpm....especially with 8lbs less reciprocating weight than stock.

Not much material needs to be removed to make the counterweights 7.25" diameter (plus or minus 1/16", if modifying them by hand).

If you're doing a 1000hp deal ignore all this, throw away all your oem stuff and buy it all brand new. If you're doing a 550-600 deal, though, this will work great.


Rich H.

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