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Pro Shifting and Faceplating #594722 01/26/10 06:36 PM 01/26/10 06:36 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 486 IL knyech1 OP mopar
knyech1 OP mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 486 IL	I know this stuff is out there on this website but I couldn't get any search results. I was wondering what exactly is "pro shifting" and "faceplating"? I put quotes because I know they are two different things. Is pro shifting another term for slick shifting where every other tooth on the gears are cut off so it can be slammed into gear without the clutch? And faceplating, is that just a hardening process? And where to send/how much does it cost/what kind of abuse can the resulting product have? knyech1- '71 Sassy Grass Demon 340/904. Pump gas, 1.61 60ft, 7.439 1/8 @ 95mph, 11.824 1/4 @ 111mph "Not too bad for a pump gas 340, full of used parts and hillbilly ported stock heads." - V.B. '03 2500 5.9L HO 6-spd on 35's. 395hp/755ft-lb at tires.

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: knyech1] #594723 01/26/10 06:54 PM 01/26/10 06:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,491 Minnesota Hemi_Joel master
Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,491 Minnesota	Pro shifting involves replacing the engagment teeth with larger, stronger teeth that are spaced farther apart called "lugs". The brass, the dogs, and the springs are removed from the slider and 2 out of every 3 splines is removed from it. 5761749-input.jpg (97 downloads) [img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img] 31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: Hemi_Joel] #594724 01/26/10 07:16 PM 01/26/10 07:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 486 IL knyech1 OP mopar
knyech1 OP mopar Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 486 IL	So what benefit is there from pro shifting? Was I correct in the clutchless shifting from 1-2? And faceplating 3-4 what does that do? knyech1- '71 Sassy Grass Demon 340/904. Pump gas, 1.61 60ft, 7.439 1/8 @ 95mph, 11.824 1/4 @ 111mph "Not too bad for a pump gas 340, full of used parts and hillbilly ported stock heads." - V.B. '03 2500 5.9L HO 6-spd on 35's. 395hp/755ft-lb at tires.

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: knyech1] #594725 01/26/10 07:30 PM 01/26/10 07:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,491 Minnesota Hemi_Joel master
Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,491 Minnesota	With a pro shifted trans, the sliders have that wide gap for the lugs to fit into. SO you can slam the gears hard and fast at wide open throttle without missing a shift. You still should use the clutch, but just barely tap it to unload the gears. Like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu94rcdWFyM

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: Hemi_Joel] #594726 01/26/10 09:27 PM 01/26/10 09:27 PM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi rowin4 master
rowin4 master Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 6,257 gulfport, ms, west mi	You still have to use the clutch or you'll round off the lugs and the slider. Contact Liberty Gears www.libertygears.com for more info. You also need to use the clutch for face plated gears. You can buy a trans that you do not have to use a clutch for about $8000. it's ok to butt heads, just don't do it with a butthead

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: knyech1] #594727 01/26/10 10:18 PM 01/26/10 10:18 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	Here is the Liberty Face-plate in my Richmond box. Gus 5762395-IMG_0319.JPG (503 downloads) 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: fourgearsavoy] #594728 01/26/10 10:28 PM 01/26/10 10:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio K KillerBee master
KillerBee master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio	I've heard about Liberty's Pro Shifting setup for years, Faceplating is something I've only heard about in the last few years. What setup is best for a street/strip 18 spline 4 speed for longevity and should it be done to all 4 gears?

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: KillerBee] #594729 01/26/10 10:34 PM 01/26/10 10:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	I would Pro-shift second then Faceplate third and fourth.Second gear Pro-Rings seem to outlast 3-4 a few seasons longer. Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: fourgearsavoy] #594730 01/26/10 11:02 PM 01/26/10 11:02 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio K KillerBee master
KillerBee master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio	Quote: I would Pro-shift second then Faceplate third and fourth.Second gear Pro-Rings seem to outlast 3-4 a few seasons longer. Gus Thanks Any idea what having that done to my 18 spline 4 speed would cost?

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: KillerBee] #594731 01/27/10 12:10 AM 01/27/10 12:10 AM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio fourgearsavoy I Live Here
fourgearsavoy I Live Here Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 10,555 Rittman Ohio	I think its about $75.00 per gear to add a ring and they will need your side cover to modify the shift selector as well.Last time I talked Paul at Liberty it seemed like a pretty easy mod to the side cover and I'm pretty sure the 3-4 slider is $50.00.They can Pro-shift your existing 1-2 slider or you can get a new one from them,not sure on the price of that I never had to buy one from them. If you need the work done send me a PM.I can set it up for you Gus 64 Plymouth Savoy 493 Indy EZ's by Nick at Compu-Flow 5-Speed Richmond faceplate Liberty box Dana 60

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: fourgearsavoy] #594732 01/27/10 12:29 AM 01/27/10 12:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio K KillerBee master
KillerBee master K Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,497 N.E. Ohio	Quote: I think its about $75.00 per gear to add a ring and they will need your side cover to modify the shift selector as well.Last time I talked Paul at Liberty it seemed like a pretty easy mod to the side cover and I'm pretty sure the 3-4 slider is $50.00.They can Pro-shift your existing 1-2 slider or you can get a new one from them,not sure on the price of that I never had to buy one from them. If you need the work done send me a PM.I can set it up for you Gus Thanks gus. I'm over in Massillon. The tranny is currently in a running/driving car but I plan to remove the engine/tranny this spring so I'm strongly thinking of getting this done.

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: KillerBee] #594733 01/27/10 09:05 AM 01/27/10 09:05 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls DemonDust master
DemonDust master Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,207 Menomonee Falls	When I talked them the other day, they said they were working on having a faceplated 2nd in a few months. So if you wait til then you will be able to get 2nd faceplated as well, instead of getting it proshifted. They quoted me around $400 for everything. SDG Motorsports Hellcat Demon and Redeye Supercharger CNC Porting https://www.sdgmotorsports.com/

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: DemonDust] #594734 01/27/10 09:34 AM 01/27/10 09:34 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,946 Connecticut 5126brl No more top fuel
5126brl No more top fuel Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 1,946 Connecticut	Quote: When I talked them the other day, they said they were working on having a faceplated 2nd in a few months. So if you wait til then you will be able to get 2nd faceplated as well, instead of getting it proshifted. They quoted me around $400 for everything. I heard that 2 years ago then last year! Just pro shift second and faceplate 3-4. I do not use second on the street. The faceplating is awesome!

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: 5126brl No more] #594735 01/27/10 10:36 AM 01/27/10 10:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 330 Frederiction. New Brunswick ,C... R RTshaker enthusiast
RTshaker enthusiast R Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 330 Frederiction. New Brunswick ,C...	Prices I got from them for face plating were $80 per gear ,$100 for 3-4 slider $39 for new 3-4 modified syle fork . I was not aware about them requiring the side cover may be this new fork gets around that ?? As others have said they are still woking on the 2 gear but was told ,they were intending to be able to use your existing 1-2 steel fork . The 1-2 slider would be the same on both ends therefore I guess 1 gear would need the faceplate mod as well {unsure of this } .

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: RTshaker] #594736 01/27/10 10:53 AM 01/27/10 10:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream LAR_414 master
LAR_414 master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 4,573 ...gently down the stream	I have only powershifted stock style A-833 transmissions and some other stock transmissions too. In a sub 600hp, sub 9 second car, is there really much to be gained from pro shifting or face plating? You still have to drive it the same way as powershifting a regular brass syncro trans, correct? It's either in the gear or not. And if you hit the gears 95% of the time with a stock A-833, will you hit it more with the Pro shift or face plate style? Is it any stronger? I love being able to drive my trans 100% normally on the street and be able to powershift it at the track with no issues. I'm just trying to see the benefit in Pro Shifting or faceplating, if you now can't drive it that easily on the street. What is the performance gain? Educate me.

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: LAR_414] #594737 01/27/10 11:27 AM 01/27/10 11:27 AM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,145 Arizona, USA gsmopar super stock
gsmopar super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,145 Arizona, USA	What about "dog boxes?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI2fGeL7DEE

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: gsmopar] #594738 01/27/10 12:05 PM 01/27/10 12:05 PM
Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,013 South Park, Pa. 68LAR master
68LAR master Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 4,013 South Park, Pa.	Quote: What about "dog boxes?" Impressive video. I wonder how the transmission would shift behind a high torque/ higher rpm engine? Also, I wonder how long it would last? In the video he is not shifting a transmission behind an 11 second or faster car. It does look like a nice unit for the street that I would like to try. Track testing still needs done. 4 speed street legal. Best time 10.99 @ 124 mph on 93 octane pump gas @ 3926# total weight

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: 68LAR] #594739 01/27/10 11:26 PM 01/27/10 11:26 PM
Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,145 Arizona, USA gsmopar super stock
gsmopar super stock Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 1,145 Arizona, USA	There is lots of videos on Youtube, several from companies pushing their product. One even states that it has over 20k km on it's shop car (turbo import thingey). ehhh.... I don't know, just thought it was pretty cool. Now if it did work: I'd use a hydraulic clutch with a line lock on both the clutch and front brakes. Stage the car, flip a switch, mash the gas and launch on a button!

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: gsmopar] #594740 01/28/10 04:51 AM 01/28/10 04:51 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 426 Califor-ni-A! MrFoFody mopar
MrFoFody mopar Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 426 Califor-ni-A!	Quote: What about "dog boxes?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI2fGeL7DEE Looks interesting ..........

Re: Pro Shifting and Faceplating [Re: MrFoFody] #594741 01/28/10 08:56 AM 01/28/10 08:56 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa S scatpacktom master
scatpacktom master S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,103 Phila Pa	Very intresting

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