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Rust sealing hard to get to places #592579 01/24/10 11:47 AM 01/24/10 11:47 AM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado J jake71 OP enthusiast
jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	I think I have a good design in my head for being able to spray products like POR15 and epoxy primer in those places you can't even see. Just curios what you guys would pay for a kit that would do this. It will definately coat everything and not be as messy as all the other systems I've seen. I'd obviously be able to prove it so let me know what you think and I'll get to work.Thanks-Jake

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592580 01/24/10 12:48 PM 01/24/10 12:48 PM
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srt ESYC S Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 15,754 Jefferson State	I think it's agreat idea. Areas like lower inner cowl, quarter to wheel house, windshield frame, door pillars, etc are prone to rust and hard to treat. I don't know if a paint product would be the best idea, something like light oil or solvent borne wax would be preferred.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592581 01/24/10 12:53 PM 01/24/10 12:53 PM
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DynoDave master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,704 MICHIGAN	I like the idea Jake. I had always expected to use a rustproofing wand ,or something similar, for those hard to reach places. What would I pay for a tool? I guess it depends on what the tool is. If it's a piece of rubber hose, not much. If it's a quality, American made tool, more. DynoDave Walter P. Chrysler Club - Great Lakes Region Member # 12304 1970 Plymouth Duster 1972 Dodge Charger Rallye https://wichargerguy.proboards.com/ 1977 Chrysler Cordoba

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: DynoDave] #592582 01/24/10 01:19 PM 01/24/10 01:19 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado J jake71 OP enthusiast
jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	Quote: I like the idea Jake. I had always expected to use a rustproofing wand ,or something similar, for those hard to reach places. What would I pay for a tool? I guess it depends on what the tool is. If it's a piece of rubber hose, not much. If it's a quality, American made tool, more. This will be a quality American made tool far superior to what I've seen as being available on the market today and will be easy to clean also. There will likely be two versions for supplying the 150 psi required for atomization but in general it will be very simple to use and care for. I'll have something put together hopefully by the end of the week with results proven by a test through a piece of clear pvc pipe and square tube if available. I'll post a video of the test when I've got it working properly. Thanks for the feedback-Jake

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592583 01/24/10 07:10 PM 01/24/10 07:10 PM
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jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	Just ordered some specialty tools for machining the parts. Will keep you posted.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592584 01/24/10 08:04 PM 01/24/10 08:04 PM
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elitecustombody pro stock Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,572 Jacksonville Florida	Jake, will your tool accept any type of fluid/coating? What will be the price for one of them?

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: elitecustombody] #592585 01/24/10 08:06 PM 01/24/10 08:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,824 Kirkland, Washington Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts
Pacnorthcuda Too Many Posts Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 21,824 Kirkland, Washington	I used a syringe and vinyl tubing to 'pour' paint/sealer (I used POR15) at the inner 1/4s to outer 1/4's crease. Worked fine

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: elitecustombody] #592586 01/24/10 08:54 PM 01/24/10 08:54 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado J jake71 OP enthusiast
jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	Yes, most will be acceptable as far as viscosity. I have several levels of kits I'm thinking of but they will be customizable if you tell me what you want to spray. The great thing will be that it will be atomized with liquid pressure only (No Air) meaning less "fog" and as I said, the kit will allow multiple rates of application. Let me know what you want to spray and I'll test and tune. Thank you for the interest-Jake Last edited by jake71; 01/24/10 08:57 PM.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #592587 01/24/10 08:59 PM 01/24/10 08:59 PM
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jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	Quote: I used a syringe and vinyl tubing to 'pour' paint/sealer (I used POR15) at the inner 1/4s to outer 1/4's crease. Worked fine I do lke the POR15 for it's "traveling" capabilities. This will be for essentially fogging inside of areas not accessable otherwise. It would also work for your application.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: elitecustombody] #592588 01/24/10 09:03 PM 01/24/10 09:03 PM
Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado J jake71 OP enthusiast
jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	Quote: Jake, will your tool accept any type of fluid/coating? What will be the price for one of them? Sorry, I forgot to respond to the price question. I don't know for sure but it won't be too bad. I should have an idea by mid next week. I ordered most of what I need for the prototype today so I should have one working soon.-Jake

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592589 01/27/10 10:15 PM 01/27/10 10:15 PM
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jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	I'm thinking the tool will be available in "kit" form and will have options ranging from basic "I want to spray fish oil" to full on shop kits with all necessary components to spray most, if not all(excluding rust proofing tars and rubber), currently available converters and encapsulators. The kit, even basic, will include a "snake camera" to allow all users to verify that the job is complete. I'm thinking at this point in design we should have a price range of about $250 to $400. What do you think? There will be a video of how to use it, before and after inside shots.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592590 01/28/10 11:11 AM 01/28/10 11:11 AM
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mrob enthusiast M Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 200 Maryland	Jake, I like the idea, but how would your kit differ from available rust prevention sprayers that use wands and flexible hoses to spray the fluid into nooks and crannys? Here's an example of what I'm talking about: http://www.eastwood.com/rustproofing-and-undercoating-system.html Looking forward to your kit and the video.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: mrob] #592591 01/28/10 12:30 PM 01/28/10 12:30 PM
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jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	Quote: Jake, I like the idea, but how would your kit differ from available rust prevention sprayers that use wands and flexible hoses to spray the fluid into nooks and crannys? Here's an example of what I'm talking about: http://www.eastwood.com/rustproofing-and-undercoating-system.html Looking forward to your kit and the video. This system will be easier to get the entire frame coated and it will center itself in the rail. The nozzle I'm using will be better capable of a spray gun like atomization of the coating therefore reducing waste and mess. I'm pretty sure I'll be including a camera with all of the kits as I've been able to source them pretty cheap. With the camera, you'll be able to inspect before you start so as to be able to make a decision on what product will best suit your needs. Also, when you're done you'll be able to verify complete coverage. I've got most of what I need to build the prototype so hopefully I'll have the rest before the weekend so I can start building it. Thanks for the interest and keep feedback coming. It's hard to think of everything so I'd like to build this based on consumer experience.

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592592 02/10/10 05:42 PM 02/10/10 05:42 PM
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Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: Ply72rr] #592593 02/18/10 09:21 PM 02/18/10 09:21 PM
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Birdturd super stock Joined: May 2009 Posts: 806 Iowa - a member of the rustbel...	So hows it goin jake?

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: Birdturd] #592594 03/10/10 07:34 PM 03/10/10 07:34 PM
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jake71 OP enthusiast J Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 290 Loveland Colorado	I'm sorry, I've been busy with... Anyway, I do have a prototype in action and it does spay like I had hoped-almost. I have to work on the nozzle design a bit but it should be pretty awesome when it's done. Hang with me while I get some of my other ducks in a row. Business first! I'll try to get some pics and or video of it at least showing the spray pattern soon. Thanks for the interest-Jake

Re: Rust sealing hard to get to places [Re: jake71] #592595 03/14/10 01:04 PM 03/14/10 01:04 PM
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moepwr super stock M Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 776 Penguin Country	Jake has some great ideas, and I am not taking away from that... I used a spray in product that has a rubber flexible hose and sprays out in four directions. You slide it in and then spray as you pull it back out slowly. I did this in my frame rails and any other hard to reach places. It worked great. I have only had the car on the road a year, so time well tell but so far so good. My friend who is a bodyman recommended it. I will find out the name and type of product used. I dont have the info here. The body man friend is on this site as BAN-ONE 1969 Road Runner Bench seat, four speed 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 http://picasaweb.google.com/moeville

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