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470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? #572056 01/04/10 06:04 AM 01/04/10 06:04 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 521 somewhereintheswampsofjersey 1 1swingin OP mopar
1swingin OP mopar 1 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 521 somewhereintheswampsofjersey	Ive gotten some great responses on my stroker question i posted a few days ago. I was wondering if anyone on the board uses or know someone who has used a 470 kit in there 400 low deck. Indy is having a sale on these completely assembled for 2100 bucks! I just wanna know if there any good. You guys are the best. Thanks for the help! "I aint here on buisness baby,Iam only here for fun"

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: 1swingin] #572057 01/04/10 08:26 AM 01/04/10 08:26 AM
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DaDart mopar Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 665 Northwest Chicago Suburb	Contact Tonys451, he had one in his 4000 lb 65 wagon and did a best 10.98. 3 Darts and a Ram

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: 1swingin] #572058 01/04/10 08:59 AM 01/04/10 08:59 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,058 U.S.S.A. JohnRR I Win
JohnRR I Win Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 75,058 U.S.S.A.	Members and sponsers of this board got together for a PHR Enginemasters challange assembled one back in 2003 that made over 700hp ...

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: JohnRR] #572059 01/04/10 09:08 AM 01/04/10 09:08 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet
Mr.Yuck Not enough dumb comments...yet Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 24,562 Brookeville, Md	Buddy tells me it's probably the best all around mopar race motor. Another friend runs 9.80's in a demon with one. [IMG]http://i66.tinypic.com/pui5j.jpg[/IMG] Coming soon!!!!

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: 1swingin] #572060 01/04/10 09:49 AM 01/04/10 09:49 AM
Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 793 Utah topbrent super stock
topbrent super stock Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 793 Utah	Steve Dulcich did well with his 2003 Engine-Masters 470 entry. http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/challenge/2003/0405phr_emc3/index.html 3'd place and highest overall HP. Peak HP: 752@ 6,500 rpm Peak TQ: 641.9@ 5,500 rpm Avg. HP: 547 Avg. TQ: 598.8

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: topbrent] #572061 01/04/10 10:14 AM 01/04/10 10:14 AM
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1974 474 Duster super stock 1 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 755 Rochester, PA (near Pittsburgh...	The one in my Duster has been together for many years. Requires little or no maint. to keep it going. Have a .613" flat tappet cam and about 12 to 1 compression. Car weighs about 3300 w/me in it and runs 10.50's anywhere. Will be into the 30's and 20's if I tweak it. Great combo thus far. See ya, Ken Michalik 5710287-09Norwalk.jpg (474 downloads)

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: 1swingin] #572062 01/04/10 10:23 AM 01/04/10 10:23 AM
Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 232 Lansing, MI M MuscleMike enthusiast
MuscleMike enthusiast M Joined: Feb 2005 Posts: 232 Lansing, MI	If you consider all the factors in building a performance engine, And plan on using a std port cylinder head. The 470 is THE best combo out there for stock port opening heads. Light bob weight, big bore, good amount of stroke/cubes, ideal "all purpose" rod ratio make this a very good kit. These combos typically work better than they "should" because it is a well balanced combination FOR stock port sized cylinder heads. Mike @MM

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: MuscleMike] #572063 01/04/10 10:39 AM 01/04/10 10:39 AM
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lewtot184 master L Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,916 usa	i used to put together a 470 for some friends. it was in a '67 gtx, about 3200lbs, with stage 6 heads. ran a few 9.90's at 134mph. definetly one of my favorite combo's.

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: 1swingin] #572064 01/04/10 11:19 AM 01/04/10 11:19 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca M mikeysmopars top fuel
mikeysmopars top fuel M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,608 fresno ca	I paid right at $4000 for mine with bushed lifter galleys and good bottom parts. Went a best of 10.48 at 129 with Indy EZ heads in a 3300 lb car. I like Mine 5710363-Picture241.jpg (569 downloads) Founder and CEO of the Central Valley Mopar Drag Pack

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: mikeysmopars] #572065 01/04/10 11:32 AM 01/04/10 11:32 AM
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BELVEDERE67 mopar addict B Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 731 Aurora Colorado	I've got one one the street. Even at high altitude it's all I wanted and more. 3800 lbs at altitude and pulles hard at all RPM's. Couldn't be happier.

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: BELVEDERE67] #572066 01/04/10 11:55 AM 01/04/10 11:55 AM
Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 521 somewhereintheswampsofjersey 1 1swingin OP mopar
1swingin OP mopar 1 Joined: Nov 2007 Posts: 521 somewhereintheswampsofjersey	Great feedback! How much block clearance was involved? Also, I just got off the phone with indy. 1495 for rotating assembly. Not a bad deal at all but they sure are lacking in the customer service department! I will spend the extra 400 and go with muscle motors kit. Just cause my car dont say superstock or my name isnt warren johnson they dont have time for me! "I aint here on buisness baby,Iam only here for fun"

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: MuscleMike] #572067 01/04/10 11:59 AM 01/04/10 11:59 AM
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CompWedgeEngines master Joined: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,544 Syracuse,NY	Quote: If you consider all the factors in building a performance engine, And plan on using a std port cylinder head. The 470 is THE best combo out there for stock port opening heads. Light bob weight, big bore, good amount of stroke/cubes, ideal "all purpose" rod ratio make this a very good kit. These combos typically work better than they "should" because it is a well balanced combination FOR stock port sized cylinder heads. I am in 100% agreement with Mike. Although many people get all wrapped up in 'bigger is better", I still think the 470 motor is hands down one of the best for the buck, and many off the shelf parts are available now as well for it. 451" ranks right up there, and of course the 493 and 511's are probably next on my list of simple but overachievable combos. Todd RIP Monte Smith Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality. WD for Diamond Pistons,Sidewinder cylinder heads, Wiseco, K1 rods and cranks,BAM lifters, Morel lifters, Molnar Technologies, Harland Sharp, Pro Gear, Cometic, King Engine Bearings and many others.

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Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? #572069 01/04/10 07:15 PM 01/04/10 07:15 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio ProSport I Live Here
ProSport I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,918 Akron, Ohio	I agree, the 451 and 470 combos are just awesome for the price. When I was running high 9's with an Eddy headed 451 and 590 purpleshaft cam I use to laugh at all the 500" Indy headed roller motors running low 10's. Now I have one of those 500" turds but it's finally starting to come around now with a 9.82. I just think the 500" 440-1 motors need alot of compression to really make them work and I don't have the cam or compression to really make it fly. I think a 470" motor with a real good set of Victors or EZ's or whatever and a 590 purpleshaft can easily go high 9's and not break the bank, also very streetable and reliable. 1970 Challenger, all aluminum 528 Hemi, HDK suspension, Tremec 5 speed manual

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? #572070 01/04/10 07:16 PM 01/04/10 07:16 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,256 Salisbury North Carolina 8secDart pro stock
8secDart pro stock Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,256 Salisbury North Carolina	Here is a little 470.Lot bang for the buck!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOEIpLxFSIs

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: ProSport] #572071 01/04/10 07:33 PM 01/04/10 07:33 PM
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AndyF I Win A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 31,050 Oregon	Quote: I agree, the 451 and 470 combos are just awesome for the price. When I was running high 9's with an Eddy headed 451 and 590 purpleshaft cam I use to laugh at all the 500" Indy headed roller motors running low 10's. Now I have one of those 500" turds but it's finally starting to come around now with a 9.82. I just think the 500" 440-1 motors need alot of compression to really make them work and I don't have the cam or compression to really make it fly. I think a 470" motor with a real good set of Victors or EZ's or whatever and a 590 purpleshaft can easily go high 9's and not break the bank, also very streetable and reliable. Yep, the combination is really important. I've seen a number of those 440-1 headed slugs at the track also. Not that they can't be made to work but the 451 or 470 with standard port heads just seems to be a little easier for the average guy to get a handle on. As for the original question; yes, lots of people have built 470 inch motors over the years. I was building them more than 15 years ago and I wasn't the first guy to do it. Back then we had to offset grind OEM cranks because nobody was making new forgings. These days you can just whip out the VISA card and order up a rotating assembly. Last edited by AndyF; 01/04/10 07:35 PM.

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: 1swingin] #572072 01/04/10 07:33 PM 01/04/10 07:33 PM
Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 303 southwest Alabama C challenger73400 enthusiast
challenger73400 enthusiast C Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 303 southwest Alabama	I'm happy with mine. Steath heads, flat solid cam in a 97 Dakota runs low 10s.

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: challenger73400] #572073 01/04/10 08:35 PM 01/04/10 08:35 PM
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CDoering member C Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 123	Is anyone making off the shelf pistons for the 470 using a 6.385 rod? I have a nice set of Crower rods but after looking at a bunch of different piston manufactures I don't see anything listed. It looks like most of the kits now use a longer rod. After looking at an Indy advertisement they show their 470 kit using 6.385 rods, but I have not called them to see if they stock that piston.

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: CDoering] #572074 01/04/10 08:42 PM 01/04/10 08:42 PM
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Streetwize master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,876 Weddington, N.C.	I prefer a 470 Low deck to a 493RB for the same money. The 470 is a great bucks down combination in both blocks that's real easy on parts and runs forever when carefully assembled...3.90 stroke is the same as a 455 Buick BTW WIZE World's Quickest Diahatsu Rocky (??) 414" Stroker Small block Mopar Powered. 10.84 @ 123...and gettin' quicker! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWzLma3YGI In Car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjXcf95e6v0

Re: 470 lowdeck stroker/ anyone try it? [Re: CDoering] #572075 01/04/10 08:51 PM 01/04/10 08:51 PM
Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,256 Salisbury North Carolina 8secDart pro stock
8secDart pro stock Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,256 Salisbury North Carolina	Quote: Is anyone making off the shelf pistons for the 470 using a 6.385 rod? I have a nice set of Crower rods but after looking at a bunch of different piston manufactures I don't see anything listed. It looks like most of the kits now use a longer rod. After looking at an Indy advertisement they show their 470 kit using 6.385 rods, but I have not called them to see if they stock that piston. Wiseco I think has them.That is the same combo in the Duster.I got them from Indy years ago.

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