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Re: hydrogen injection
[Re: tigger1]
#557244
02/11/10 12:38 AM
02/11/10 12:38 AM
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Ontario, Canada
Stanton
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Don't question me!
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Ontario, Canada
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If you set your carb lean and add hydrogen of course you will go farther. It is NOT better fuel mileage because you had to add fuel
So you really don't know what you're talking about then !!!
When you run hydrogen you don't change the carb or injection setup, you just add the hydrogen and oxygen to the mix. The hydrogen burns at a much higher temp and ignites what would otherwise be unburned gasoline. It is not the hydrogen that adds the power and economy, but the complete combustion of the fuel charge.
Yes, it takes power to create the electricity to generate hydrogen BUT the power obtained from the otherwise unburned fuel is greater than that required to produce the hydrogen.
So you're not getting nothing for nothing, you're just getting full use of what you already paid for instead of spewing it out the tailpipe.
The complete combustion also reduces emissions which means your catcon lasts longer.
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Re: hydrogen injection
[Re: Stanton]
#557245
02/11/10 10:01 AM
02/11/10 10:01 AM
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Left Coast
BobR
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Left Coast
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If you set your carb lean and add hydrogen of course you will go farther. It is NOT better fuel mileage because you had to add fuel
So you really don't know what you're talking about then !!!
When you run hydrogen you don't change the carb or injection setup, you just add the hydrogen and oxygen to the mix. The hydrogen burns at a much higher temp and ignites what would otherwise be unburned gasoline. It is not the hydrogen that adds the power and economy, but the complete combustion of the fuel charge.
Yes, it takes power to create the electricity to generate hydrogen BUT the power obtained from the otherwise unburned fuel is greater than that required to produce the hydrogen.
So you're not getting nothing for nothing, you're just getting full use of what you already paid for instead of spewing it out the tailpipe.
The complete combustion also reduces emissions which means your catcon lasts longer.
I can find more than one fatal flaw in your assessment. Sorry. It doesn't work.
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Re: hydrogen injection
[Re: Stanton]
#557251
02/21/10 12:06 PM
02/21/10 12:06 PM
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Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 482
Dirty South, MS
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mopar
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Dirty South, MS
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That link refers to hydrogen fuel cell vehicles. Totally different than the use of hydrogen in a normal internal combustion engine.
This one should be much more "on point" even if a bit outdated (1977 IIRC):
http://smacksboosters.110mb.com/NASA%20.pdf
I suppose we should consider this a finished argument especially considering the total lack of evidence coming from the other side... BTW, thanks for your input!
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Re: hydrogen injection
[Re: rebel]
#557253
02/21/10 12:54 PM
02/21/10 12:54 PM
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Long Beach, CA
Mike Swann
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One thing that has been mentioned is that you cant violate he 2nd law of thermodynamics. Good.
Another thing is if you going to make any significant power, the hydrogen has to be direct injected in the combustion chamber. If you think that you can pipe it in like propane to a normally aspirated engine, you are wrong.
The hydrogen is low density at STP, its displaces most of the air(O2). Haven't looked at it closely, but I doubt you could even make lower explosive limit if you start out at STP. If you can, your 350ci engine might make 25-40 hp based off of relative density of the H2.
8.30's @3400 lbs
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I researched this a while back and it pops up on this board once in a while.
