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one draw back though the storage tanks are heavy i believe.

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I have a neighbor that runs the brown gas in all his cars. He uses the little kits that turn water into hydrogen. He picks up mileage in all his cars. He is also a speed freak and has never mentioned any increase in power.

From my research I can't see how fuel(hydrogen) could make more power. You need more oxygen also.

Dave Johnson, Ryan's(RyanJ) brother is an engineer of such matters. He is extremely sharp on these things. I would try to contact him.

Leon

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I built a Browns Gas setup (Dual 1-Quart) that I run in my 2001 Jeep Wrangler 2.5 Litre 4-Banger and it gets aprox. 3-4 MPG increase over stock, idles smoother and seems noticeably peppier.....the exhaust is clean as a whistle as you mentioned and in a year I've only had to top the water off twice.

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I'm skeptic. because I know and understand the universal constant of energy. it cannot be created or destroyed, simply transferred from one form to another.

you mentioned water, electrical pulses to separate H2O into Hydrogen and Oxygen.

that right there is what has me skeptic.

where's the electric going to come from that separates the water? now, I'm not a rocket scientist, but I'd bet a C-note that the amount of energy required to separate the water is going to be identical to the energy released when the 2 are joined back together during combustion in the engine.

so, now you need an electric source that is equal to the power that you are getting from the burning of the hydrogen.

Alternator on the engine? ok. but, now all the energy that you're getting from the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen in the engine, is going to be robbed by the alternator as it generates enough energy, to separate the water prior to it going in the engine, and assuming a perfect world, a net gain of zero, but in reality, a loss, as an alternator is not 100% efficient, voltage loss from the resistance of the copper wires, etc...

batteries? Ok. sure. but they add weight...and when do they get recharged? at night? alright. what is your local power plant burning to make that electricity that charges the batteries at night?

see my point? I'm skeptical that this will work! sorry.

sure, your buddy might be able to use a system like this, use batteries as his electrical power source to separate the water, and then burn it in his internal combustion engine and his car will use less liquid gasoline, giving the illusion of better efficiency. when in reality...there is no net gain unless the electricity is coming from a "green" power plant like wind turbines, solar, etc. and in which case, you might as well ditch the whole internal combustion engine idea, and go all electric with that green energy.

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The power used by an alternator is very low if the battery is fully charged and there is no electrical drag (lights, ignition) - only the bearings and belt friction. If there's no demand, the parts just free-wheel.
Once any electrical demand is placed on it, the mechanical power taken from the engine to drive the alternator via the belt is, has been, will always be higher than than the current produced in Khw, Hp, whatever, because of parasitic drag, line loss, inductance, etc.

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Acetone?? Ha!! Just another form of liquid fuel!!

My only question is?? Is the system really separating the Water into Hydrogen and Oxygen???

Reason I ask is I have been trained on the Hazards of Pure Oxygen and Pure Hydrogen and minute quantities of either packs a BIG Punch!!

Worked around liquid Oxygen in the Navy and less than 10oz mixed with any quantity of petroleum product can level a building.

Also worked at an Aluminum Recycling plant and they restricted any kind of containers for liquids except paper and Styrofoam cups.

They showed a video of the result of a glass water bottle that got dropped off into a Furnace of molten aluminum. A 16oz glass bottle of water fell into a furnace, the water separated into it's 2 pure elements (Hydrogen and Oxygen) from the extreme heat, and when it ignited, leveled a 10,000sq/ft factory killing 40+ people.

Hydrogen and Oxygen pack a Helluva Punch!!

2 words Hiroshima, Nagasaki. 1 of those was an H-Bomb?!

This is also the hurdle that the Major MFGs have been trying to figure out. How to have a Hydrogen powered car that isn't a Rolling H-Bomb and a refueling facility that isn't just as dangerous.

The concept isn't much different than using Nitrous. N2O when injected into the intake is just that N2O. When the extreme pressure and Temps of the combustion chamber hit it. It separates back into it's 2 main elements. Oxygen and Nitrogen. In this case Nitrogen is not a fuel and doesn't ignite, it is just used to stabilize the oxygen until it is needed.

Too bad for us the Temps and Pressures you would need to make this same thing happen with water are so high your engine would melt down before the process happened. Even if you built an engine to hold together to that point the intensity of the Hydrogen/Oxygen ignition would be so violent your engine would be shattered into pieces. Probably you too?

I've seen and heard the result form many that have tried it. From my view it looks like it may be nothing but a Water Vapor injection system??? Not much off from the Methanol/Water injection systems that many use to to cool boost charges.

Those have been proven more than a few times to do the same thing even with straight water in them and on N/A engines. Inject the H20 into the intake as a Mist, it cools the Intake Charge, Boosts compression,(liquids do not compress) reduces detonation potential, and steam cleans the combustion chamber.

It has been proven to pick up a few Ponies and better the Fuel Mileage a bit as well.

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Aluminum melts at 600C while water doesn't thermally decompose until well above 1500C. In order for that to happen they must have been boiling the Al

WRT the device for mileage, electrolysis of water produces gaseous H2 and O2...And there is a big difference between liquid O2/H2 and the gaseous forms. The gaseous forms are fairly safe to work with. But liquid is a whole other story.. One of my co workers accidently collected around 1 drop of liquid O2 ... ended up losing a chunk of his ear from the explosion

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I'm no expert on the subject by any means but I understand that it's not about comparing gasoline to hydrogen (why wasn't Hiroshima a gasoline bomb?) but instead more about what the addition of Hydrogen into the combustion chamber environment does for combustion efficiency. It doesn't take much for big things to happen...

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