Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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As someone said above, compare our situation to the motor home crowd and your head really starts to spin. And yes, my freakin F150 service truck has a DOT #.... ^2
Its only a matter of time, its the divide and conquer strategy, they won't stand up for you, and you won't stand up for them.
Interesting viewpoint...I had not thought of it that way. At this point I think business haulers are an easy target because a) they have little to no choice in the matter and b) this is not (largely) looked upon as the govt. attacking our personal freedom.
Thank you for you insight.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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I believe its all about (a) harassment (b) power trip, no toys as a kid (c) money (d) safety.
There is that side of it as well.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/09/09 09:40 PM
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... also @ time had a CT license which was only good for 10,000 GVW. Laws are crazy,
Yes, the interpretation is crazy. My Maryland license is just a regular Class C (plus M for motorcycle), and it says noncommercial under 26,000 GVW.
I only have a single rear E350 van, and open trialer, so I stay at the 10,000 combined point (close). And I registered my E350 as 10,000/10,000 GVW/CGVW to try and avoid any issues if I get stopped. But many just have passenger car or maybe Multipurpose plates on their pickup, etc. I didn't put more GVW on it, because my insurance company said then it needed commercial insurance, same with the trailer.
I also carry a copy of the exemption regulation for us hobby guys, just to see if it helps convince a marginal officer. (attached MS Word document)
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/11/09 08:58 AM
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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on
I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states: Quote:
If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/11/09 08:22 PM
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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on
I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states: Quote:
If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?
That requirement I believe is now2 nationwide and being enforced, and yes for any commercial driving.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/11/09 09:18 PM
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link is to classracer forum. there's some talk regarding DOT laws started by a company at PRI It still leaves me confused http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=22166
You otta see the crap that goes on in Ontario. We have the Ministry of Transportation who basically work the same way as the DOT with the weights. If you have commercial plates, which is basically any kind of truck, pick up etc. you can only hall up to 10000lbs combined. Essentially your truck trailer and race care. Put any body in the truck (even luggage) your over and need to to pay extra on your registration.
Now if you have a motorhome towing your rig, or you have personal plates, your OK
Now once you contact the ministry no one will give you a straight answer or put anything in writting.
Then you have the ministry of environment who basically fine $340 dollars for any violation from a missing cat converter to a missing air breather hose. These boys along with Ministry of Labour love to set up shop right near the race track.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/11/09 09:19 PM
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and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
just the tow vehicle? actual weight? gvwr? gcwr?
F350 7,500 GVWR 11,200 GCWR 20,000
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/11/09 09:45 PM
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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on
I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states: Quote:
If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?
Towing your car to a drag race where you are competing for money is considered commercial, at least PA does. Towing to a show, not competing for money looks like it would fall into that category your document describes.
A big magnet is any decals on your trailer, such as "joe schmo's racing", mopar, or any other business that could be construed as a sponsor.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on
I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states: Quote:
If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?
Towing your car to a drag race where you are competing for money is considered commercial, at least PA does. Towing to a show, not competing for money looks like it would fall into that category your document describes.
A big magnet is any decals on your trailer, such as "joe schmo's racing", mopar, or any other business that could be construed as a sponsor.
one of the reasons my trailer is plain white not a sticker of any kind
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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12/11/09 10:35 PM
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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on
I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states: Quote:
If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?
Towing your car to a drag race where you are competing for money is considered commercial, at least PA does. Towing to a show, not competing for money looks like it would fall into that category your document describes.
A big magnet is any decals on your trailer, such as "joe schmo's racing", mopar, or any other business that could be construed as a sponsor.
I agree with the signs/decals as only a magnet for scruntiny.
You other comment makes me wonder about a potential issue, that I am not sure of the answer. I know what commom sense tells me, but DOT? I don't know. I am not sure if the truck is classified solely by the activity it is doing, or if it is useds once say per registration period as a commercial vehicle, it is always a commercial vehicle during that period. Think about the reverse, One could own a 80,000 GVW Semi tractor, have it registered in ones personal name, use it driving/hauling frieght all over the country, but if the driver drives it one night to the ice cream store when home, is it now a personal vehicle, not commerical? Because the reverse is what most are trying to do regarding winning purse's when hauling their cars to and from the track. But our opinion doesn't seem to count for much in this fight.
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: D.O.T.. regulations again
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Don't forget your DOT medical card, the list goes on
I renewed my Maryland driver's license today (Class C - noncommercial 26,000 and less), and the brochure states: Quote:
If you are a Maryland non-commercial driver operating a commerical motor vehicle in intrastate commerce (within the state of Maryland) and the vehicle weighs between 10,001 and 26,000 pounds, you are now required to hold and maintain a valid Federal Motor Carrier (DOT) physical card in your possession.
Doesn't that all go back to is the operation in "commerce" i.e. commercial use?
Towing your car to a drag race where you are competing for money is considered commercial, at least PA does. Towing to a show, not competing for money looks like it would fall into that category your document describes.
A big magnet is any decals on your trailer, such as "joe schmo's racing", mopar, or any other business that could be construed as a sponsor.
one of the reasons my trailer is plain white not a sticker of any kind
This is why mine says not for hire on both sides. DOT sucks
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