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S/B Strokers and Rear Gears #535401
11/24/09 12:28 PM
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Over the winter I'm mini tubbing my Dart and will be buying a S60 to go in it. I already have the new tires and wheels for it, Weld 15 X 10 with 3.5" bs and MT 325/50 ET Street Radials. The 8 3/4 I'm replacing had 4.30 gears in it, I'm considering going with 4.10 in the 60. This is in a street/strip 3300# 69 Dart with a pump gas 408. It's in the 550 hp range.

The 408 only has 10 passes on it including the one that shucked the ring gear teeth. The only clean pass it's made it ran (1/8) 6.61 @ 102.24 with a 1.41 60'.

I had the 340 in it when I went from 3.91 to 4.30 and it only picked up .06 and all that was in 60'. The 340 ran a best of 7.24 with the 4.30.

What do you guys think, 4.10 or 4.30? It doesn't get driven a lot, but I think 4.10s with the 28" rear tire would not be a bad drive.

Thanks, Justin

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: justinp61] #535402
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When does the engine make peak power (hp and tq?) If it' a race car first, gear so it's about 100rpm higher than HP peak at the stripe. All the stroker equipped cars I had a hand in run 3.23 or 3.54 gearing. The engines like to pull against a load...lol. but if you're wanting to go as quick as you can, have the engine dyno'd when it's done (not a computer simulation...) and then pick a convertor and gear package for it.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: moper] #535403
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The engine is already in the car. The only dyno I have is the time slip and the seat of my pants .

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: justinp61] #535404
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...gently down the stream
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4.30

That's what I run, but I go 1/4 mile racing, not 1/8th mile.
With 28" tires and a good converter, I'm trapping 6400rpm at the stripe at 120mph, shifting at 6200.

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: LAR_414] #535405
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Did you weld it in place?

I'd rather know if this is a race car. If you dont want to pull it stick 4.10s in it. That would be my guess.


Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.
Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: moper] #535406
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I vote for 4.10 gears. That is what I put in my car. Plus, when I add more power in the near future I will not be over geared. And, I have the option of going to a taller tire since I streteched my wheel openings.

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Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: moper] #535407
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I haul it to the track, the closest one is about 1 1/2 hour drive. I like to drive it to town and to work on occasion.

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: justinp61] #535408
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Justin, what converter do you have and where do you shift? You know my old Dart , with the stroker I was shifting at 64-6500 and trapping at 6600, this with an 8" race verter that flashed to 5200. I ran a 4.10 gear with it and a 30" tire. Best 60 ft was 1.43, best 1/8 mi was 6.59 @ 104, best 1/4 was 10.45 @ 127.

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: StrokerPost] #535409
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Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: Hunted Duck] #535410
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ive got 4;10 in mine, id like to try 30's just to see if it makes a difference


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Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: StrokerPost] #535411
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Ken glad to see you here
I run 4.30s 11.5 29.5 w hoosiers shift 6600 through traps 6900 even with low gear in trans now
ran those gears with 410ci and the new 418ci
i would do 4.30s if you don't do alot of cruising .
don


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Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: 10 o to go] #535412
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i run 4.30's in my stroker and it is a street car. hehehehehehehehe

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: StrokerPost] #535413
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Quote:

Justin, what converter do you have and where do you shift? You know my old Dart , with the stroker I was shifting at 64-6500 and trapping at 6600, this with an 8" race verter that flashed to 5200. I ran a 4.10 gear with it and a 30" tire. Best 60 ft was 1.43, best 1/8 mi was 6.59 @ 104, best 1/4 was 10.45 @ 127.





Ken, the converter is a 9.5" Edge Racing, it flashes around 4800 the best I can tell. It spun the tires everytime I tried to flash it in high gear. I shift it at 6400 but haven't been able to find out what it likes. Out of the ten passes I've attempted it only hooked up on two. One broke the ring gear and the other it went 6.61 @ 102.24 with a 1.41 60'.

Ken, maybe you can come to Sikeston next year and show me how to drive this thing.

Sorry for not replying sooner guys, my internet has been down for three days. My modem was bad .

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: justinp61] #535414
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It's only 5% difference, and the 4.10 is safer.


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Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: polyspheric] #535415
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I would run a 3.91 or 3.73 gear. I ran 4.30's in the cuda and changed to 3.91 and ran faster. The stroked small blocks have a ton of low end power and dont need the tall gear. The cudas best 60' was a 1.36 with a best of 9.98 @ 134. running the MT street radial. I wanted to try the 3.73 gear but didnt get a chance to. Theres no need to wind up that long arm small block if you dont need to. Trust me, you wont be sorry. For a street strip car stay with the 3.91 and 28" tire....Phill

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #535416
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maybe I should try a different gear I am running 4.88 with a 32x14 M/T


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Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: 9 Sec Phill] #535417
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We went fron 4.30 to 3.91 to 3.55 on our 414, race only mud truck, the more load on the engine the faster we go

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: justinp61] #535418
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Ken, maybe you can come to Sikeston next year and show me how to drive this thing.




Gimme a shout buddy.

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: StrokerPost] #535419
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Ken, maybe you can come to Sikeston next year and show me how to drive this thing.




Gimme a shout buddy.




Count on it, you're welcome to drive it anytime you want .

Re: S/B Strokers and Rear Gears [Re: justinp61] #535420
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From your previous runs try to gear it so you go
through the traps at 10% above peak HP.... I run a
4.56 with a 31" tire and trap at about 8200 at 150 MPH
set you stall for around peak torque or slightly better







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