Holley 4 corner idle questions?
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So what is the best way to set the idle mix on one of thease things? Do you turn them all just a little at a time the same amount or one at a time till you get the best vaccume? Also what would be a good baseline to start at?
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Re: olley 4 corner idle questions?
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You will want all four corners turned out the same amount as long as your IAB's/IFR's are the same size. You will want to hook up a vacuum gage to the carb to read the manifold vacuum. (Note: Before I start, I like to take a permanent marker and mark each metering screw at the 12:00 o'clock position when they are bottomed out (Clockwise), for my own reference. This is how I can tell if they are all even once I am done tuning.) Depending on a few things, maybe start out with them all at 1-1/2 turns out. Then get the motor to operating temp and idling at the rpm of your choice. (Note: Once you pick this rpm, always use it during the tuning so you have a reference point for your vacuum readings. You want the highest vacuum reading at this rpm while in N.) Next you will want to reference your vacuum reading and then pick one of the metering screws and turn it in or out 1/8 turn. Then you want to wait 10 seconds or so and reference your vacuum reading again. If the vacuum reading went up, then do the same thing to the next metering screw. If the vacuum reading got worse, then turn it back to the 1-1/2 turn out and then go the opposite way 1/8 turn. Once you get the first metering screw adjusted in or out to make your vacuum reading go up, then move to the next meteirng screw and turn it the same direction as the first meteirng screw. - You will want to wait about 10-20 seconds or so after you turn the MS before you reference your new vacuum reading. - You may have to readjust your idle rpms after the 20 seconds is up because as your vacuum reading goes up, so will your idle rpms. On your first tuning, you may want to go around the carb 2-3 times and adjust each of the four metering screws and once you start getting closer to your best vacuum reading, you will be adjusting your metering screws less and less each time. This does take 10-15 minutes but if you are patient enough to do this, your idle quality will increase. If this is an auto car, then you will want to apply the emergency brake and put the car in D. Then readjust the four meteirng screws 1 or two more times to now gain the highest vacuum reading at your desired in gear idle rpms. With an auto car, this is more important than tuning your metering screws in N for a "street driven" car. Once you have your in gear idle rpms where you want them with the most vacuum at that rpms, then reference where the marks are that you made on the metering screws. They should all be real close to the same amount of turns outward. Once the outside temps go up or down, you will want to retune your metering screws in the same manner. The first time you tune the carb will take the longest because you have to get it close in N and then fine tune it in gear. Once you are done and you still do not have the idle quality that you want, try adding more initial timing and then retune the carb again.
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Re: Holley 4 corner idle questions?
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OK so now it iles fine but it runs like crap every where else in the RPM range.
I put 84 jets all the way around and 6.5 PVs and don't know what else to try. It has #37 squirters.
The motor is a 360 with ported magnum heads 9.0 actual measured compresion ratio. Comp XE268 cam 1.6 rockers TTI headers 2.25 dual ex no muffs and it does have a crossover pipe. M1 single plane intake.
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Re: Holley 4 corner idle questions?
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80509 830 CFM double pumper.
I just tried some 31 squirters in it and it won't rev at all so I pt the 37 back in.
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Re: olley 4orner idle questions?
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The problem is holding at a steady RPM it breaks up real bad and smells rich (my trunk is not sealed great right now so I can smell whats going on a little ).
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Re: olley 4orner idle questions?
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are you positive your timing is not at fault here? anyways, did you check the powervalves?
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I tested both power valves and they are good, and timing is 18* initial and 33* total. Those settings worked perfect with the 770 vac secondary I had on a few minutes ago.
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Re: olley 4orner idle questions?
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fuel bowl level? fuel is making an unwelcomed entrance somewhere.
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It idles at 900 rpm with the throttle fully closed but I don't think it is a problem of too much throttle opening uncovering the transition slot since it is part throttle and WOT issue. It could be a gasket problem, it had blue gaskets on it. It is a used carb but is almost new (it has 08 stampings). I pulled the bowls off and looked for any sighns of modifications and didn't see anything obvious except plugs in the PV holes witch I fixed. What would be a good baseline for jets? The airbleeds are stock sizes as were the jets witch I leaned out to the 84 and 83s, mabey it needs the bigger jets
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The ign is a mopar oarnge box electronic. It ran fine with the 770 street avenger and I swapped the carbs back for a minute just to make sure something didn't happen in the swap and it was OK again.
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It idles at 900 rpm with the throttle fully closed but I don't think it is a problem of too much throttle opening uncovering the transition slot since it is part throttle and WOT issue.
It could be a gasket problem, it had blue gaskets on it. It is a used carb but is almost new (it has 08 stampings). I pulled the bowls off and looked for any sighns of modifications and didn't see anything obvious except plugs in the PV holes witch I fixed.
What would be a good baseline for jets?
The airbleeds are stock sizes as were the jets witch I leaned out to the 84 and 83s, mabey it needs the bigger jets
Go to the Holley web site and get the spec's to set it up back to stock(or at least make sure it is)
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86 jets stock 6.5 PVs.
What am I looking for to see if the baseplate gasket is wright or wrong besides something like a hole obviously out of place?
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