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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: JamiePasson]
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11/11/09 03:00 PM
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ChargerDude70
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"We are possibly considering a different 1st gear ratio as well, but it is likely that we necessitate changing 2nd and 3rd as well to accomodate. I am not sure about that yet." A "gear-set" that was set up for drag racing(ish) and having that OD for the cruise home would be nice. I personally have a 3rd gen hemi in my car and Chyrsler put 3.59 first gear in the NAG trans to help the car out of the hole then has a .67 for 5th. Allows us to put 3:23 or 3:55 in rear and have best of both worlds. Just my 
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: ChargerDude70]
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11/11/09 08:05 PM
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fourgearsavoy
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Jamie have you contacted Long for a shifter yet or can we use the current 5-speed Hurst unit on the market now? I also like the 1.1 fifth concept like my Richmond with a 3.27 low gear.The 3.54 rear gear with that low gear works pretty well for my 3500# car with the 493  The #2 choice with a 4.10 gear would work well also  You need to have a good mechanical advantage to keep the clutch from glazing on the launch. Gus 
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: fourgearsavoy]
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11/11/09 10:15 PM
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JamiePasson
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Gus, In keeping with the true bolt in deal. In other words being open and up front as far as costs go, the transmission will include a shifter and linkage. If we didn't do that, we wouldn't be any better than the "other" guys out there because you would need another $400+ dollars worth of shifter and linkage to be able to use the trans. It will be a HURST style shifter. Long makes good stuff, but it just isn't gonna fit where it needs to. A note to everyone. Making a .85 OD ratio in my opinion is a waste of time. Our current OD Hemi 4 speed gearset has a .80 and I have heard people saying that it isn't enough overdrive. So, I can tell you that is out. I am on the fence about making a 3.2 first gear. That is PRETTY steep. If we make a steeper 1st gear, I am thinking something in the 2.9's. As for Quadrini, I'll never tell.  Thanks, Jamie
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: JamiePasson]
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11/11/09 11:43 PM
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Gus,
In keeping with the true bolt in deal. In other words being open and up front as far as costs go, the transmission will include a shifter and linkage. If we didn't do that, we wouldn't be any better than the "other" guys out there because you would need another $400+ dollars worth of shifter and linkage to be able to use the trans. It will be a HURST style shifter. Long makes good stuff, but it just isn't gonna fit where it needs to.
A note to everyone. Making a .85 OD ratio in my opinion is a waste of time. Our current OD Hemi 4 speed gearset has a .80 and I have heard people saying that it isn't enough overdrive. So, I can tell you that is out. I am on the fence about making a 3.2 first gear. That is PRETTY steep. If we make a steeper 1st gear, I am thinking something in the 2.9's.
As for Quadrini, I'll never tell.
Thanks,
Jamie
the .8 of the 4 speed isn't steep enough only because first isn't steep enough 
check out the A580 tranny ratios in the LX's....mid 3.59 for first, and IIRC, a .83 OD, coupled with a 2.82 rear, has the same gear multiplication as a 2.64 first and 3.83 rear, and the final drive of a 3.54 with a .66 OD.....to me, the big thing is this strategy keeps the driveshaft RPM down. for instance, for a 27" tall tire at 120 MPH, that's 1495 RPM at the wheel. using a 4.10 gear and .66 OD make the driveshaft RPM 6130 RPM, with the engine at 4050 RPM. a deep first/1:1 OD with a 2.71 rear has both the driveshaft and engine spinning 4050 RPM at the same speed....
the crown victoria police interceptors are actually electronically limited to 125 MPH because of driveshaft RPM....
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: JohnRR]
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11/12/09 06:34 AM
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With that release date i'm assuming Tom Quad has already tested one in his killer AAR ???
I am waiting for the call to show up with my car for the transplant...yes the product will be torture tested...I can't wait...  Road racing just got better.
Thanks Jamie!
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: 67autocross]
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12/25/09 03:56 PM
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This should be great! And as far as pricing if I buy a part and it fits and works like it should I'm happy. A $3500 part that I have to spend months working out the bugs on is not half as good (to me) as say a $4500 part that works right out of the box.
And for me a $4500 trans would be out of the question as would be the same for alot of realistic budget based Mopar hotrodders.
Kudos to Passon for stepping up to the plate in developing a drop in trans for the Mopar community and the cherry on top would be that it is made in the USA but....if the pricing isnt there then for most it will not be a option.
This is only my opinion and I consider myself your average mopar hobbyist.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: MadMatt]
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12/26/09 12:51 PM
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fourgearsavoy
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The BEST part of Jamie's trans is that you don't need any special custom parts to install it Everything you need can be had from the Moparts community in good used form such as bell,flywheel,fork,Z-bar etc... The keisler unit needs some custom parts that only they manufacture.When you do that then you have a baztard-Frankenstein unit that they only supply parts for. Gus
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: ScottSmith_Harms]
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01/10/10 08:37 PM
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If Jamie builds a true bolt in kit for A-bodies, and the price for a conversion is comparable to the Keisler I will buy one.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: Blakcharger440]
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01/10/10 10:08 PM
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This should be great! And as far as pricing if I buy a part and it fits and works like it should I'm happy. A $3500 part that I have to spend months working out the bugs on is not half as good (to me) as say a $4500 part that works right out of the box.
And for me a $4500 trans would be out of the question as would be the same for alot of realistic budget based Mopar hotrodders.
Kudos to Passon for stepping up to the plate in developing a drop in trans for the Mopar community and the cherry on top would be that it is made in the USA but....if the pricing isnt there then for most it will not be a option.
This is only my opinion and I consider myself your average mopar hobbyist.
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: mshred]
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02/22/10 01:10 AM
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fstfish66
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ill be watching this topic,,
im in need of a 5 speed box with a steep 1st gear and a nice OD,, i run a 33 inch trall tire,,,and drive to a lot of cruise nite,,, i justy removed a 4;56 and put in a 3;91..
with the correct gear selection,,and a 5 speed i could have just as good off the line performance and cruiseablitly,,,a stock 1st gear wont work in my application,,
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Re: New MOPAR 5 speed from McLeod!!!!!!!
[Re: JamiePasson]
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02/22/10 01:20 AM
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I have three gear ratio options. The difference is the 5th gear ratio.
Any hope for a 6 speed? 
thanks
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