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moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference #477889
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How much weight difference is there between a 6 point moly roll bar vs. a steel bar??


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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: 65_gt_rag_402] #477890
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This question cannot be answered if you want a legal roll bar. There is no 1 3/4" .083" chrome moly tubing. A legal roll bar, not cage, is required to have 1 3/4" main hoop instead of 1 5/8" tube diameter.

If you are blowing off the rules and go with Chrome moly you will save 35 pounds give or take.

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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: 65_gt_rag_402] #477891
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If you want a tubing weight calculator... use this
www.steel-pipes-tubes.com/steel-pipe-weight-calculator.html

Re: Chromoly roll bar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: Leon441] #477892
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I want the bar to legal and to specs.
how much weight is added to the car with a roll bar in steel or chromoly ?


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Re: Chromoly roll bar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: 65_gt_rag_402] #477893
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One foot of 1.75" x 0.118" 1020 Steel tubing by 12 inches long weighs 2.07lbs. The same length in 1.625" x 0.083" 4130 N tubing weighs 1.37lbs. There is around 15 feet in a main hoop, give or take a foot or two. Do the math
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Re: Chromoly roll bar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: LA360] #477894
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None of the chassis shops I know of use .118 mild steel tubing anymore, they all use .130 wall due to some of the .120 and .118 tubing being less than .117 in some spots, especially around the bends My chrome moly roll bar has never been rejected at any race track, NHRA or others wise


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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: Leon441] #477895
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This question cannot be answered if you want a legal roll bar. There is no 1 3/4" .083" chrome moly tubing. A legal roll bar, not cage, is required to have 1 3/4" main hoop instead of 1 5/8" tube diameter.

If you are blowing off the rules and go with Chrome moly you will save 35 pounds give or take.

Leon



I dont understand no legal moly bar. S/W race sels them and other comp.

Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: Scamp408] #477896
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I have a six-point chrome-moly bar in my duster,its GOOD down to 10.0's..

Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: Leon441] #477897
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"There is no 1 3/4" .083" chromoly" I have a whole bunch of it in my steel rack. Mike


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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: mr2performance] #477898
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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: mr2performance] #477899
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I'm pretty sure it's 38% lighter when comparing .134 steel to .083 moly...Moly is stronger so you can use thinner wall, same wall thickness they actually weigh the same...On the SW site if you look in the FAQ section they say a 100# roll bar in .134 steel would be 62# in .083 moly...

Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: Gary67] #477900
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Guess I didn't look close enough at S&W's site then...was trying to find that info myself

So a reasonable estimate is a 40 lb weight saving for the moly (which has to be TIG welded of course)?

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I believe that's correct..I went 8 point mild steel, mig ,that's what type welder we had. but if you go to the link here Moly and click roll cage faqs you will find it.

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If you want to save weight go with a Moly bar and make it a 5 pt and use the 1-1/4" cross bar that the rules allow. I had to buy that piece separate since my kit came with a 1-3/4" cross bar.

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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: 65_gt_rag_402] #477903
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That was very interesting ! and helpful .
I wish I could do the job myself But I do not have the tig welder or bender. Soooooo. I have a fab shop picked out to do the job.
another question ... Can I have a hinge/swing bar installed for the drivers door. or is there other regulations on that issue ?


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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: 65_gt_rag_402] #477904
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That was very interesting ! and helpful .
I wish I could do the job myself But I do not have the tig welder or bender. Soooooo. I have a fab shop picked out to do the job.
another question ... Can I have a hinge/swing bar installed for the drivers door. or is there other regulations on that issue ?


I believe you can have a swing out door bar as long as you don't need a cage, convertible have different rules than the rest of us hardtop racers do Call your local track tech guys and ask them to be sure Or better yet E mail them so you get a written responce that you can take with you


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Re: moly rollbar vs. steel bar weight difference [Re: Cab_Burge] #477905
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swing out bars will cert to 8.50 as long as they are installed properly.


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A swing out door bar is legal on any roll bar,or rollcage to 8.50 as long as the design meets NHRA specs







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