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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #470219
10/04/09 10:35 AM
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Life is too short for real OE restorations. Over restore it and enjoy it.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: JeffsCustomPaint] #470220
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I can tell the difference from new paint and OE paint and that is something you can never reproduce.




The age of a paint job has no correlation whatsoever with it being OE correct. What you are actually stating is that you have the ability to recognize the difference between a new paint job with that of a survivor. I would imagine that anyone here could do that! Just because a paint job looks new, does not mean that it cannot have identical traits of a factory OE job. Even the old survivors were new and fresh when they were first built. I would hope no one is naive enough to think that a 40 year old survivor paint finish has the same look that it did the day it rolled off of the assembly line. Our team has already duplicated an OE factory paint job with the Challenger project a year ago. I can assure you that the paint characteristics it displayed were that of a factory vehicle from 1970. I will assure you that the Valiant we bring to the Nationals will also have a 100% correct factory paint finish. Simply being able to recognize the difference between an old and new paint job does not take away from it's correctness. An OE correct paint job does not require that it has to look old and weathered!

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop #470221
10/04/09 10:54 PM
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Hello:
Since we are on the subject of paint, let me add my 2 cents worth, now i'm not a painter and don't claim to be expert on the subject. A lot of numbers go by when you talk of full restoration on a car. I hear a lot of talk these days of full restorations going for between 25K and 45K. If you consider that a very decent paint job is going to cost you around $12k to $20K on a car that needs full prep. (not fresh restored) Then we are looking at around $10K to $20K on a full restore. (should be a little less because most of prep work was done during restore.)
That leaves us with about $13K to $25K for body / interior / drive train / suspension brakes.
That looks like a awful lot of work for $13 to $20K.
For your information my car has been repainted back to factory color. I like it the way it is
now. It was in pretty tough shape.
Thanks
Maynard

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: DartGTS] #470222
09/08/10 10:45 PM
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I thought I would give an update. I originally posted this thread when I started my search for a quality restoration shop to work with on my projects. After talking with and visiting many many shops 1st hand, all over the USA. I did choose to go with Mike Mancini's shop American Muscle Car Restorations in Rhode Island.

We are well into the restoration and so far I am more than pleased with the professionalism, quality and attention to detail. The organization and execution of the restoration process is very impressive to me. We are performing and OEM style restoration on my Duster currently and then my Cuda next.

I encourage anyone looking for a reputable place that knows what they are doing to give Mike a call. I am 100% satisified and then some.

Thanks for the great job Mike!

Matt

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470223
09/08/10 11:12 PM
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thats where my daytona is

mikes great

has great passion and knowledge well beyond his years for these cars

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: TONY_DAGOSTINO] #470224
09/09/10 09:13 AM
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I agree with Tony above. Most of us learn these things only after restoring a couple.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Finoke] #470225
09/09/10 06:38 PM
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stay far away from John Balow at Muscle Car Restoration in Wisconsin we just pulled our 1965 A-990 Plymouth out of their shop for very unsatisfactory work and poor customer service. to much to list here email me for more info

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: 68jim] #470226
09/09/10 08:13 PM
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1) Roger Gibson Restorations, MO
2) Paul Jacobs Restorations, IN
3) Mike Mancini Restorations, RI
4) Rocket Restorations, WA
5) Resto Rick, WI
6) Finer Details, IN





Good list! My advice, call each and every one of them and have a chat with each owner about your budget and goals. If you are going the OE route you might want to spend a few bucks up front visiting a couple of the shops and asking for references before committing to one of them. Go with the one you feel most comfortable with.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #470227
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There's also there's guys.... American Muscle Car Revolution ... They currently booked solid but I'm sure they'll need new customers in the future


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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #470228
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Quote:

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1) Roger Gibson Restorations, MO
2) Paul Jacobs Restorations, IN
3) Mike Mancini Restorations, RI
4) Rocket Restorations, WA
5) Resto Rick, WI
6) Finer Details, IN





Good list! My advice, call each and every one of them and have a chat with each owner about your budget and goals. If you are going the OE route you might want to spend a few bucks up front visiting a couple of the shops and asking for references before committing to one of them. Go with the one you feel most comfortable with.



This is a good list. I will be monitoring this board on the process of it all. Cudakid-maybe put it or have the Mods put it in the resto part of the site? Hopefully, Mancini has been and will, provide plenty of photos of the resto in progress for all to see to you. Or if you have the progress photos, post them?

Also, as I was reading this post about your car, I thought of this question: Did you take pictures of he car as is before the restoration to give to any of these shops or did anyone of the shops named above see the car to get some sort of "feel" or "ballpark" as to an estimate?

INOP I think I would provide pictures or have a shop take a look at the car to see first hand what they are dealing with, or both. I dont know board, thats why I'm asking. Trying to get a grasp of how shops to this first hand before I get into this. Thanks

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: 71rm23] #470229
09/09/10 11:29 PM
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In regards to shops capable of the highest level of restoration it's good to know that IF you decide to go to the O.E. level there are proven examples of shops capable of achieving your goal based on their knowledge and skill level if you have the desire and budget to go that way. Here's an OE car that Rocket Restoration recently restored, it acheived OE Gold at 2 different events, both the ICCA and the Mopar Nationals judging staff.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: ScottSmith_Harms] #470230
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Paul Jacobs also pulled off double OE Gold awards from the same two judging bodies with this 69 Dart.

Of course either of these shops can perform less intensive work as well, it's all about what the customers want.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: cloneguy] #470231
09/10/10 10:19 AM
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We'll give you the best job for the best price.

I'll give you the names of our current and past customers and let them tell you about us.

You won't find a shop anywhere that gives you the quality you want AND price as well as we do.

Call me, Tim 404-234-1000. We are 3 guys with over 100 years of collective experience and we can get started on your car right away. No one with less than 30 years of experience will ever touch your car at our shop!

It's worth shipping to us. We've done cars from Toronto to New Orleans. We have one in the shop now from NYC and another on it's way from WA state.

Check out our MAX price guarantee and let me put you in touch with our customers.

Thanks!


Is this the same shop/are you the same guys in the other thread 25K max labor saying that now you have only 2 guys and you don't know how to do paint and body ? And you're answering this thread ? Call me crazy but am I misreading something here ? I'm just as curious as everyone else to see the results of the mopar you're doing, but I thought I read you're not taking on anymore work for the forseeable future till you complete your own projects - correct me if I'm wrong...

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: shakerjoe] #470232
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Quote:

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We'll give you the best job for the best price.

I'll give you the names of our current and past customers and let them tell you about us.

You won't find a shop anywhere that gives you the quality you want AND price as well as we do.

Call me, Tim 404-234-1000. We are 3 guys with over 100 years of collective experience and we can get started on your car right away. No one with less than 30 years of experience will ever touch your car at our shop!

It's worth shipping to us. We've done cars from Toronto to New Orleans. We have one in the shop now from NYC and another on it's way from WA state.

Check out our MAX price guarantee and let me put you in touch with our customers.

Thanks!


Is this the same shop/are you the same guys in the other thread 25K max labor saying that now you have only 2 guys and you don't know how to do paint and body ? And you're answering this thread ? Call me crazy but am I misreading something here ? I'm just as curious as everyone else to see the results of the mopar you're doing, but I thought I read you're not taking on anymore work for the forseeable future till you complete your own projects - correct me if I'm wrong...




You're right, but the post you quoted is almost a year old.

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Cudakid] #470233
09/10/10 11:01 AM
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I thought I would give an update. I originally posted this thread when I started my search for a quality restoration shop to work with on my projects. After talking with and visiting many many shops 1st hand, all over the USA. I did choose to go with Mike Mancini's shop American Muscle Car Restorations in Rhode Island.

Matt




Dang guys, did you even read what the OP posted above? Regarding, Tim's post (25K max resto), it was an older post from when the OP was first looking so it was prior to his recent decision to not take on any work.

Reading IS fundamental.



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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: jrwoodjoe] #470234
09/10/10 11:17 AM
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I think the MOST IMPORTANT thing to know when looking for a shop is to know UP FRONT what YOU want...

Do you want an OE Gold winner
or
Do you want a clean "local show" winner

big difference


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Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: anlauto] #470235
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I've started doing "driver oe" type cars. Keeping the spirit of the cars originality but using modern processes. In short OE looking cars but durable for summer fun. Bridging the gap I guess you could say.


1959 Bugeye Sprite
1967 Charger Black L code
1967 Coronet R/T Convert Green 440 auto bought from original owner
1968 Charger R/T Bronze 440 4 spd console AM/FM
1969 Super Bee WM21H B5 A40 D21 N96
1969 Barracuda Formula S 340 Convert pilot car
1969 Hemi Road Runner RM23J D32 Omaha orange 4.10 Dana N96 N85
1970 Super Bee WM23N FE5 V1X 3.91 axle package, N96
1970 Road Runner RM21N B3 V1X D13
1971 MG Midget
1971 Road Runner RM23H GW3, A57
1972 Road Runner RM23P FY1, D21
Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: PAINT IT BLACK] #470236
09/10/10 06:56 PM
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Thanks Tony & Matt for the compliments.

To avoid any confusion I want to clarify my shop's name is Mike Mancini's American Muscle Car Restorations, Inc. located in N. Kingstown, RI.

I have NO affiliation with the american muscle car revolution guy or his 25K max labor offer.


Thanks
Mike

Last edited by Mike Mancini; 09/12/10 06:41 PM.
Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Mike Mancini] #470237
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I have also had the pleasure of seeing Rocket Restorations and Paul Jacobs work 1st hand. Both shops turn out stunning work.

Mike Mancini

Re: Looking for Detail Oriented Resto Shop [Re: Mike Mancini] #470238
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My V02 paint code '69 Road Runner is currently in Troy Angelly's shop about to hit the paint booth. I knew the car had some issues but after getting well into the project Troy found some hidden rust issues that needed to be addressed. Obviously this meant more time and money.
This is not my first restoration project and I think everyone should realize that an estimate is just that. Until all areas of the car gone over no restoration shop will be able to give you a firm quote. I thought my hood was in good shape with just a couple of small dents but when Troy uncovered the previous "body shop's" work he found someone had ground the metal so thin in an area that the metal would not quit oil canning.
Yep, needed to purchase a new hood.
So always be prepared for the unexpected...it happens.
After Troy gets her in color then it's headed to Paul Jacobs' shop for assembly and detailing. I could not afford an OE restoration but she'll be pretty close to it when she's done.

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