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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: CYACOP]
#468931
09/15/09 06:48 PM
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BDS871Cuda
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Taking a 72 440 stock engine and going through it.
Looking to get 1 step up in power from stock.
Cam Suggestions?
Want to run pump gas, its just a street car. 9.5 compression max?
Block checked out good, needs rebore.
Was thinking cast pistons due to cost. Best place to buy?
346 heads-What cc are these?
Will run stock exhaust and intake manifolds with 650 Holley.
Suggestions?
I read other posts on same subject but didnt really specify what I was looking for.
Northern Auto out of Sioux City, Iowa always had
good rebuild kits. Tell them what you have and
they should be able to set you up with a Master
Rebuild kit. They can up grade from stock with
a few options. As for a cam, the stock 440 should
be fine with any thing around .450-.460 lift.
www.northernautoparts.com 800-831-0884
Snap your neck, mega G-force launch, is all I want!
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: BDS871Cuda]
#468932
09/15/09 07:39 PM
09/15/09 07:39 PM
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Niles , Ohio
therocks
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I agree with the Summit cam kit.For the economey build they cant be beat.Has a racy type idle but not too much pulls decent vacuum and will pull stromg.Rocky
Chrysler Firepower
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: therocks]
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09/15/09 08:40 PM
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landon1
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i just did my 440...started out as a budget build, cost a bit more than expected, but still not as much as most probably spend. engine kit with pistons, machine work on block and crank, hot tank, cam bearings, all new plugs, etc. $1100 comp cam and lifters, pushrods, double roller timing set, priming rod, mechanical gauge kit, break-in additive, bronze intermediate shaft bushing, other stuff from summit $400 deep sump oil pan and pickup $90 milodon windage tray $50 (didn't use, wouldn't clear my rods for some reason - stock stroke and cork gasket between block and tray  ) paint, oil, filters, parts cleaner, etc. $100 so, that put me around $1700, which i'm sure i'm probably in over that
'71 Satellite Sebring 440
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: b body dreams]
#468936
09/16/09 09:46 AM
09/16/09 09:46 AM
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Joplin, MO USA
Robbins
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I'm running the small summit cam in my 440. It has all kinds of vacuum at idle.
Moparlee
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: CYACOP]
#468938
09/16/09 12:07 PM
09/16/09 12:07 PM
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Grand Haven, MI
patrick
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Quote:
Taking a 72 440 stock engine and going through it.
Looking to get 1 step up in power from stock.
Cam Suggestions?
Want to run pump gas, its just a street car. 9.5 compression max?
Block checked out good, needs rebore.
Was thinking cast pistons due to cost. Best place to buy?
346 heads-What cc are these?
Will run stock exhaust and intake manifolds with 650 Holley.
Suggestions?
I read other posts on same subject but didnt really specify what I was looking for.
if it were me, I'd look at running some KB quench dome pistons if you're married to open chambered heads. do a good job on fitting the quench dome to the chamber, and you'll go a long way on detonation resistance. for a cam, I'd go voodoo 60303, com 911 springs. if you think you may upgrade to aftermarket closed chambered heads later, use the KB237's.
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: patrick]
#468939
09/16/09 03:25 PM
09/16/09 03:25 PM
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Branson, Mo.
joedust451
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Quote:
Quote:
Taking a 72 440 stock engine and going through it.
Looking to get 1 step up in power from stock.
Cam Suggestions?
Want to run pump gas, its just a street car. 9.5 compression max?
Block checked out good, needs rebore.
Was thinking cast pistons due to cost. Best place to buy?
346 heads-What cc are these?
Will run stock exhaust and intake manifolds with 650 Holley.
Suggestions?
I read other posts on same subject but didnt really specify what I was looking for.
if it were me, I'd look at running some KB quench dome pistons if you're married to open chambered heads. do a good job on fitting the quench dome to the chamber, and you'll go a long way on detonation resistance. for a cam, I'd go voodoo 60303, com 911 springs. if you think you may upgrade to aftermarket closed chambered heads later, use the KB237's.
This is what i'd do, the quench dome will be the way to go, should put you around 10.1, a "true' 10.1, not guessing, i ran these quench dome's in a .060" 360 & loved them, ran great on pump 91 @ 10.36.1 comp., this way you can install a healthier cam like a voodoo or XE, you'll be out alittle more (maybe 300.00) but it'll be well worth it.
I ran the big summit cam in my 440, it did ok, i couldn't complain for the price i guess, but they've gone up, they do good on the bottle, but "racey idle", don't know about that, mine was calm with its 114 LSA, I see new XE cam/lifter kits on e-bay going real cheap, check with KMJ Performance out of Aims Iowa, his name is Wess.
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: joedust451]
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09/16/09 05:50 PM
09/16/09 05:50 PM
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I spoke with Summit and Northern today and they both offer "master rebuild kits" which seems up to this point, the most economical way to go, of course with a sacrifice on obtainable performance. Summit said their kit's pistons would not be available until December, (Federal Mougal) sp? Northern checked stock and said the parts could be at my door in 3-5 days. Summits price was 100 dollars less due to 10% discount code but as stated they can't deliver. Northern's price was about $1,060 for all, shipped, with upgraded cam, blocked hot air valley pan and double roller timing chain set. This also included lifters with the cam. These are stock spec pistons, .030 over with .440 lift 212/212 Comp Cam. Might be dog but then again, it's just a street car. By they way, its going in a restored 71 Road Runner that currently has a stock 383, 3.55 gear and a 727. Let me know what you guys think about this, but again, money for parts AND machine work is an issue. My son is paying for this out of his own pocket and wants to get his first V8 rebuild under his belt.  Everyone's input has been and will be appreciated.
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: coronet1966d]
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09/16/09 06:30 PM
09/16/09 06:30 PM
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Joplin, MO USA
Robbins
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If you are going to run decompressed pistons, then I would go off that thread and pick you a cam that will work with those pistons.
There is one guy at our local track that put a 74(I think that was the year) 440 out of a car and stuck in a long bed truck and he's in the 12's. I've forgotten what cam he used.
I've gotten a lot more than $1000 dollars in my build, so.........I do understand the money deal.
Moparlee
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: Robbins]
#468946
09/17/09 01:43 AM
09/17/09 01:43 AM
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Manitoba, Canada
DaytonaTurbo
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new one: "decompressed pistons"
I'm so sorry . Low compression pistons, dog dish pistons, blower pistons, smog pistons.........any of these suit you?
Yes, all the same thing. If you order a complete engine kit make sure the pistons are NOT the ones with the 1.912" compression height. There's no point in putting those in a motor, you'd be better off re-ringing a tired 440 than wasting your money with those. The one summit may be waiting on are likely their 'not as bad' 1.991" compression height pistons. At least with those you get a somewhat usable CR. My choice if you want something on a budget would be KB237's or even trw 2355's.
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Re: Economy 440 Build Suggestions
[Re: DaytonaTurbo]
#468947
09/17/09 12:49 PM
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new one: "decompressed pistons"
I'm so sorry. Low compression pistons, dog dish pistons, blower pistons, smog pistons.........any of these suit you?
Yes, all the same thing. If you order a complete engine kit make sure the pistons are NOT the ones with the 1.912" compression height. There's no point in putting those in a motor, you'd be better off re-ringing a tired 440 than wasting your money with those. The one summit may be waiting on are likely their 'not as bad' 1.991" compression height pistons. At least with those you get a somewhat usable CR. My choice if you want something on a budget would be KB237's or even trw 2355's.
I did some checking and see the KB237's will give me a 10:1 compression ratio at 88cc heads. To get a 9.5 to 1 ratio It was suggested use the KB184's which I cannot find, orders since June not filled yet, back orders The TRW's 2355's at 9.4 to 1 are also not available until who know's when. So I continue my search.
Decided to get away fron rebuild kits and get the pistons for now but that seems to have it's own issues. 
I want to shoot for a 9.5 to 1 comp ratio.
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