Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/19/07 08:11 PM
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I'd like to hear about everyones tire and suspension setup and how it responds. I might have gone with the Toyo's if I only knew that they offerd my size.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/20/07 01:09 AM
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Here is my Bee ,.96 T bars , tube upper controll arm ,boxed lower arms , HD shackles , poly spring eye ,1 1/8 front sway , 3/4 rear sway , frame comectors , .3 neg camber ,3.7 pos castor .020 toe in ,Toyo proxies ,factory 73 disk drilled carbon fiber pads and shoes . 451 stroker eddy heads Passion alloy trans case using a low gear set in trans and a 3.23 sure grip . 3460 lbs W.O. me . KYB shocks for now , looking at Qa1s tho . Its a very nice canyon car , and pulls grades like a beast .
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/20/07 03:41 AM
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I'd like to hear about everyones tire and suspension setup and how it responds. I might have gone with the Toyo's if I only knew that they offerd my size.
245/50/15ZR BFG Comp T/A, 15x8 rallyes 4.5 backspace, all 4 corners .99 T-bars QA1 adj front shocks 1 1/8 front sway bar 1.4 degrees negative camber 3.5 degrees positive caster 1/16" toe in Mopar re-manufactured 16:1 power steering box Stock Formula S rear springs ¾ rear sway bar Rear koni shocks 11.75 front disks Reinforced 73-76 front k-member 15 inch LaCarra steering wheel
Very responsive. Especially at 60 mph and up. Any steering wheel input results in an immediate output of vehicle movement. Flick the wrist for a quick lane change and it feels extremely confident even thought you can hear the tire squeal just a tad.
I think that crisp-ness is due mainly to the ZR tires’ stiff sidewalls, alignment, front T-bars.
I wouldn’t want faster ratio steering at those speeds. Not necessary and would just cause overcorrecting. Smooth is fast.
60K T/A now that other have stated the diameters of their T-bars, what is your measurement of your T-bars.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/20/07 01:35 PM
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We've had a number of requests to de-content our kit and offer some of the sub-components.
So XV Level I light, with T-bars, leafs and shocks.
As well as sway bars, strut rods, bushings, etc, individually.
Just need to makethe time to pull it together and cut up pics.
Let me know if there is enough interest and I'll make the time to do it asap. Also, what groups of products, if any. Only thing I am really hesitant on is the shocks and leafs by themselves as I don't know how they will work with other combos - especially in the rear. I'm guessing SS springs and our shocks will get you ice skates!
Anyway, let me know and I'll make the time to finish it up and get it out there.
John
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/20/07 01:40 PM
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60K T/A now that other have stated the diameters of their T-bars, what is your measurement of your T-bars.
This is funny.
Maybe we'll let the cat out of the bag if we sell the bars by themselves. I'll get some real good pics of the bars, they are nicer than any others I've seen out there.
It's funny how everyone always forgets about the rear of the car. Our leaf springs have a much lighter rate than any of the production pieces.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/20/07 04:53 PM
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Im starting a 72 Runner project and Im looking at going this route below. I want a car that rides nice handles great put the baby seats in the rear and take the family out for a cruise. There should be enough power with a big block in the car. Fitted Subframe Connectors welded in XV Inner Fender, Engine compartment Brace and Radiator Support Brace Firm Feel Reinforced K member, reinforced LCA's and Tubular A arms, Front end kit with all Poly, Greasable LCA pins, 11/16 tie rods seamless and Firm Feel power box at level 2. XV T bars,leafs and shocks 1 1/4" front sway bar and a 3/4" rear sway bar. Looking at AndyF's late model Viper front brakes on 13" rotors Rear will be a S60 from Dr Diff with a set of SVO rear disk brakes on the rear if it will clear a rear sway bar. Be nice if the new Challenger has some 17" wheels and some nice rubber to run on the car? Or these look nice too: http://fikse.com/fm5.html
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 02:56 PM
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Hey Peter how well do the subframe connectors fit on the 71 72 Plymouth B body? The US Car Tool site says the ones they sell are the same as the E body units with a small difference the way the rear frame is in the car. A modification is required of the one they sell to fit the 71/72 B's Im thinking we are going to find out soon how well they fit.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 04:51 PM
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nice combo, pretty alike what I will do!
I will start to fit the US Tools subframe connectors on my 72 Satellite in 1-2 weeks... I will let you know how well they fit.. I also saw that they need to be modified from the e-body types... but it didn't look to hard.
Otherwise I got:
From the guy from Bigblockdart upper tubular control arms (with ball-endlinks), ball-endlink strut rods
- reinforced LCA - reinforced k-member from FF - 1.22" Tbars - red Konis all the way - Fiberglass rear leafsprigns 200lbs/" - Everywhere poly except LCA, there I go rubber - FF biggest front swaybar I could get - No rear swaybar (will first need to test drive the car) - right now 11.75" setup but will probably go with AndyF his 13" Viperkit. - subframe connectors from US Tools - 6 point rollcage - XV front inner fender braces, radiator support brace and the braces that are on the top like the 72's had.
Yeah, that's about it...
Oh and I got the FF 2 stage box since 2 years... really great, BUT I wish I had taken then stage 3! Stage 2 is like my daily european driver car, for a really sporty feeling I guess the stage 3 is the way to go!
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 07:04 PM
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Here are some more details of my setup: For a very detailed write-up, feel free to read this: http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/foru...31#4180065138311971 Plymouth Satellite Sebring Front: 15" American Racing Hurricane II Rims 245/60-15 Yokohama ST's (decent enough for city driving) Factory lower control arms Magnum Force tubular upper control arms (E-Berg) '73 disk knuckles w/ 11.75 police rotors KYB shocks 1 1/8" Anti sway bar PST polygraphite bushings, all around 203 lb/inch torsion bars (1.03" diameter) Thicker C-body tie rod ends Firm feel steering box Fast ratio pitman & idler arms Rear: 15" American Racing Hurricane II Rims 245/60-15 Yokohama ST's Factory Hemi HD leaf springs KYB shocks Body: Direct Connection Mopar frame connectors, circa 1993. Welded in. I agree with one of the above posts that the KYBs aren't ideal, but I was unable to find Koni's when I was shopping. Where are Koni's available? Another question for the suspension guys - I had always assumed that torsion bars had a much longer lifespan than did coil springs, but do they begin to lose their rigidity after a certain number of miles? I've been using my torsion bars for about 16 years now and the front end doesn't feel as firm. For the record, I just rebuilt the front suspension in January 2007. For those trying to associate torsion bar spring rates with thickness - here are the numbers from an old catalog (California Suspension, 1990) that used to sell various torsion bars for Mopars: 41" long bars (B body up to 1972, all E body) Diameter / Spring (wheel) Rate 1.03 / 203 1.08 / 245 1.14 / 305 1.20 / 374 1.24 / 427 43" long bars (B body 1973-up) Diameter / Spring (wheel) Rate 1.14 / 225 35.8" long bars (A body) Diameter / Spring (wheel) Rate 1.03 / 200 1.08 / 242 1.14 / 300 1.20 / 370 1.24 / 420 - Jim
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 07:38 PM
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You can buy koni shocks here: http://www.firmfeel.com/
Strange Engineering also has some nice looking single and double adjustable shocks here: http://www.strangeengineering.net/newprod/2006/MoparMuscle.html
Lets hear what the suspension guys have to say about T bar life...........
The spring rate degrades like any spring. But the sagging is more pronouced than the loss of spring rate. sagging in the front is really much of a Mopar issure, as you can just turn the T-bar up and adjust the sag point.
If you want to know the spring rate degradation, you need to put it in the Spring Rate machine. You just need to make fixturing to hold a t-bar and lever arm to a traditional coil spring checker. Sort of like a leaf spring rate machine.
Those strange shocks are just QA1 adjustables. I run those on my Cuda. They're nice
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 08:17 PM
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Who makes them QA1's and who makes the Strange shocks?
What is the better pricing QA1 or Strange double adjustables?
QA1 is made by QA1. They bought out Carrera and Hal shocks 2004 and 1998 respectively. http://www.qa1.net/qa1_industrial/shock_absorbers.html
Much better site with part numbers and specifications: http://www.naake.com/stocker_star.html#2
The Strange shock sure look like the QA1 shock bodies and parts. I'm not 100% sure, but they sure look like QA1 shocks.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 08:57 PM
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I haven't seen you post in awhile, have you had you car on the road with the 1.22" TB, and how did you like like it? I am a big believer in macho TB's, anything under 1" is for girls, but a 1.22" on the street makes me pause, so what do you think? MoparKid has a set, but not yet driving, I have a set on the shelf, but you guys go first
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 09:13 PM
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I haven't seen you post in awhile, have you had you car on the road with the 1.22" TB, and how did you like like it? I am a big believer in macho TB's, anything under 1" is for girls, but a 1.22" on the street makes me pause, so what do you think? MoparKid has a set, but not yet driving, I have a set on the shelf, but you guys go first
What body and motor are you planning on running?
A 71 big block B-body is one heavy car. A 68 Road Runner is pretty beefy too.
Also tire compliance keeping some thickess in the sidewall helps. This is why I'm not real thrilled with 18" rims. You end up having to get a smaller sidewall than you would have with 17" rims.
Good shocks are more and more important as you increase to larger and larger 1" plus sized T-bars.
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Re: XV Level 1 Suspension
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10/21/07 09:50 PM
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I am now counting the days until I get my junk on the road.
I tried to reindex the bars today, but I decided that I am going try again with a little help right before it goes to the alignment shop. The torsion bars were being particularly meatheaded today (or maybe it was me, I don't know..) Either way, they didn't want to go in any way except the way they came out despite countless tries to get the two hexes lined up. I tried getting the LCA to the ride height I thought that I wanted, and fought to get the bar in. No amount of running up the adjuster helped..
I would have kept going, but I have to have the car ready for trailer duty, so I didn't bother fighting it or taking too much apart.
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