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413 info
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Hi,I'm looking for info and help on my 73 dodge winnebago,it has a 413 with a 4 barrel holley,and k&n air filter,on a motor with 43,000 original miles, i wanna put a little more HP in her any suggestions,thanks 
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Re: 413 info
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73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.
Can you explain this further. You had one in a late 70's vehicle ?... OEM installed ?
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73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.
Can you explain this further. You had one in a late 70's vehicle ?... OEM installed ?
1973 Winnebago 22' Indian,413 Torqueflite and Thermoquad.I know what I had!The 413 was used into the mid 70's,just not in cars.
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You'd better be careful here. Depending upon what version of the Motorhome 413 you have (there were 413-1, 413-2 and 413-3 engines), you may have some problems. The version I personally had experience with had a gear driven camshaft that ran backwards off of a big gear on the crank. No timing chain in that version. If that is the case in YOUR engine, you'll have to get the parts to run a regular timing chaing. That includes the distributor gear, timing gears and chain.
Greg
-1, -2, -3 !! ...  .... other than the camshaft and the drive gears ...what are any other diffs ? ..
I have SEVEN of these motors .. and have yet to see any myself.
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73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.
Can you explain this further. You had one in a late 70's vehicle ?... OEM installed ?
1973 Winnebago 22' Indian,413 Torqueflite and Thermoquad.I know what I had!The 413 was used into the mid 70's,just not in cars.
The 73 Winnie with a 413 ? .. yes. A TQ on a 413? .... that had-to-be a customer-installed item(I did this myself on the MH I have). The 413 was used into the mid-70's? ... the factory stopped putting 413's in MH/truck chassis in early-1973. And IIRC .. the last year for a 413 in a car was 1965 ...and that motor was way diff than the MH motor. The only thing that was the same was the # of cubic inches.
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You'd better be careful here. Depending upon what version of the Motorhome 413 you have (there were 413-1, 413-2 and 413-3 engines), you may have some problems. The version I personally had experience with had a gear driven camshaft that ran backwards off of a big gear on the crank. No timing chain in that version. If that is the case in YOUR engine, you'll have to get the parts to run a regular timing chaing. That includes the distributor gear, timing gears and chain.
Greg
-1, -2, -3 !! ... .... other than the camshaft and the drive gears ...what are any other diffs ? ..
I have SEVEN of these motors .. and have yet to see any myself.
They're out there.
http://www.misterbenn.com/gladiatorengine.html
Needless to say, if I had the chance to do it all over again, I wouldn't have started with the 413.
Greg
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Greg ... the only thing in that link that is really "correct" .. is them saying the cam-gears make for a good door-stop.
And HONESTLY ...if there were a way to get cams make to work with those gears .. it would be a better system than the chain.
They are out there ... ?
You would not have started with the 413 ? ..what are you building?
But that's the problem. There is NO over the counter way to get an aftermarket cam to work with those gears short of sending in the one you have and having it custom re-ground. But then, why do that when there are chain setups that run just as well? Here's a short list of things I pitched when I got this 413:
Heads got swappped for 440 items.
Intake from Weiand.
Couldn't use the cam or even the cam sprocket because the 413 version I had used a gear driven cam that turned backwards.
Rockers and pushrods.
Water pump and housing.
Balancer.
Oil pan.
Distributor and drive gear.
Pistons.
Exhaust manifolds.
Even little nit-noid brackets and bolts didn't fit. In other words, I had to nearly buy a complete 440 just to get the parts to put the 413 into a car. And in the end... I had a 413... down on cubes from a 440. So... that's the deal. If I had to do it over again today... I'd go for a stroked 400. Just me....
Greg
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Actually, past tense. I did the work way back in 1979-80. Back then, I just went to the local Chrysler dealer and got a set of stock flat top 413 pistons to replace the dished MH ones. That was for my 77 Road Runner.
I've still got it. But, like I've said, if I had to do it all over again, I'd go for a stroker 451. 413 is a nice torque motor, but with todays options, it's down on cubes. When was the last time you heard someone want to put money into building a 361?
Greg
True .. it might be down on cubes .. but the block is much better than most any 440 block.
The prob is getting pistons for it. I am debating having some aftermarket pistons done ...... in bulk...... like 8 plus sets.
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And the tiny bores.
We had a 78 (8?)ton grain truck with an industrial 413.
A 1978 chassis ? .. that had to be an engine transplant .. the OEM stopped building the 413 IND in 1973.
NOT a bad idea though .. it is the BEST tow-motor out-there ..and even made best-er with a tad more compression ratio.
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And the tiny bores.
We had a 78 (8?)ton grain truck with an industrial 413.
A 1978 chassis ? .. that had to be an engine transplant .. the OEM stopped building the 413 IND in 1973.
NOT a bad idea though .. it is the BEST tow-motor out-there ..and even made best-er with a tad more compression ratio.
I think I'll buy an argument on that. My 413 came out of a 1976 motorhome. It is my understanding that 413's were built through the 70's. Here's some info.
1974 - 1979 Dodge Trucks (D50 not included)
1st 1 or 2 letters indicates model (2nd character indicates the series
1 = 100 (1/2 ton) 2 = 200 (3/4 ton) 3 = 300 (1 ton))
D = 2 wheel drive pickup
AD = 2 wheel drive ram charger
PD = 2 wheel drive trail duster
W = 4 wheel drive pickup
AW = 4 wheel drive ram charger
PW = 4 wheel drive trail duster
The 2nd number indicates the body type
1 = conventional cab
2 = crew cab
3 = conv. cab utiline
4 = conv. cab sweptline
5 = crew cab utiline
6 = crew cab sweptline
7 = club cab sweptline
8 = club cab
9 = club cab utiline
The 3rd character indicates the GVW (Confliting data here email any confirmed corrections)
A = 6,000 lbs or less
B = 6,000 - 10,000 lbs (1974 - 1977)
C = 6,000 - 11,500 lbs (1978)
C = 10,001 - 14,000 lbs (1979)
J = 6,000 - 8,500 lbs (1979)
K = 8,501 - 10,000 lbs (1979)
The 4th character indicates the engine
A = 440-3
B = 225-1 series
C = 225-2 series
D = 440-1 series
E = 318-1 series
F = 360
G = 318-3 series
J = 440
K = 361-2 series
L = 361-3 series
M = 361-4 series
R = 413-3 series
T = 360 4-bbl
X = special 6
Y = special 8
The 5th number indicates the model year
4 = 1974
5 = 1975
6 = 1976
7 = 1977
8 = 1978
9 = 1979
The 6th letter indicates the assembly plant
C = Jefferson
J = Windsor
K = Windsor
T or S = warren
X = Missouri
http://oldmopar.com/72-79DodgeTrucks/Info.html
Also:
http://www.chatwebdesign.com/mytravco/VIN.htm
Greg
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http://www.chatwebdesign.com/mytravco/VIN.htm
Greg
This link ?..."says" that there was a 361 motor offered in 1979 !! I would not count on the accuracy of this at-all.
There is an active yahoo-group that has a bunch of Travcos on it .. there are NO motorhomes past 1973 than have a 413 in them ...except mine. My 1974 220 WILL have a 413 in it .. but only because I put it in.
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