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413 info

Posted By: Anonymous

413 info - 08/26/09 01:41 AM

Hi,I'm looking for info and help on my 73 dodge winnebago,it has a 413 with a 4 barrel holley,and k&n air filter,on a motor with 43,000 original miles, i wanna put a little more HP in her any suggestions,thanks
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/26/09 02:39 AM

How DEEP do you want to go into the motor? ...or just use bolt-on-stuff.
Posted By: moparsquid

Re: 413 info - 08/26/09 04:39 AM

is this the industrial motor or the stadard 413.? if it is not the industial one id upgrade to eddebrock package(manifold,cam,carb.) and free up the exhaust with some hedders and a set of good mufs.
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 413 info - 08/26/09 05:16 PM

73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/26/09 06:59 PM

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73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.




Can you explain this further. You had one in a late 70's vehicle ?... OEM installed ?
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 01:19 PM

You'd better be careful here. Depending upon what version of the Motorhome 413 you have (there were 413-1, 413-2 and 413-3 engines), you may have some problems. The version I personally had experience with had a gear driven camshaft that ran backwards off of a big gear on the crank. No timing chain in that version. If that is the case in YOUR engine, you'll have to get the parts to run a regular timing chaing. That includes the distributor gear, timing gears and chain.

Greg
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 02:40 PM

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73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.




Can you explain this further. You had one in a late 70's vehicle ?... OEM installed ?





1973 Winnebago 22' Indian,413 Torqueflite and Thermoquad.I know what I had!The 413 was used into the mid 70's,just not in cars.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 03:01 PM

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You'd better be careful here. Depending upon what version of the Motorhome 413 you have (there were 413-1, 413-2 and 413-3 engines), you may have some problems. The version I personally had experience with had a gear driven camshaft that ran backwards off of a big gear on the crank. No timing chain in that version. If that is the case in YOUR engine, you'll have to get the parts to run a regular timing chaing. That includes the distributor gear, timing gears and chain.

Greg




-1, -2, -3 !! ... .... other than the camshaft and the drive gears ...what are any other diffs ? ..

I have SEVEN of these motors .. and have yet to see any myself.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 03:12 PM

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73 winnebago is not an industrial motor.I had one ie the late 70's.




Can you explain this further. You had one in a late 70's vehicle ?... OEM installed ?





1973 Winnebago 22' Indian,413 Torqueflite and Thermoquad.I know what I had!The 413 was used into the mid 70's,just not in cars.




The 73 Winnie with a 413 ? .. yes. A TQ on a 413? .... that had-to-be a customer-installed item(I did this myself on the MH I have). The 413 was used into the mid-70's? ... the factory stopped putting 413's in MH/truck chassis in early-1973. And IIRC .. the last year for a 413 in a car was 1965 ...and that motor was way diff than the MH motor. The only thing that was the same was the # of cubic inches.
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 06:08 PM

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You'd better be careful here. Depending upon what version of the Motorhome 413 you have (there were 413-1, 413-2 and 413-3 engines), you may have some problems. The version I personally had experience with had a gear driven camshaft that ran backwards off of a big gear on the crank. No timing chain in that version. If that is the case in YOUR engine, you'll have to get the parts to run a regular timing chaing. That includes the distributor gear, timing gears and chain.

Greg




-1, -2, -3 !! ... .... other than the camshaft and the drive gears ...what are any other diffs ? ..

I have SEVEN of these motors .. and have yet to see any myself.




They're out there.

http://www.misterbenn.com/gladiatorengine.html

Needless to say, if I had the chance to do it all over again, I wouldn't have started with the 413.

Greg
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 06:29 PM

Greg ... the only thing in that link that is really "correct" .. is them saying the cam-gears make for a good door-stop.

And HONESTLY ...if there were a way to get cams make to work with those gears .. it would be a better system than the chain.

They are out there ... ?

You would not have started with the 413 ? ..what are you building?
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 06:51 PM

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Greg ... the only thing in that link that is really "correct" .. is them saying the cam-gears make for a good door-stop.

And HONESTLY ...if there were a way to get cams make to work with those gears .. it would be a better system than the chain.

They are out there ... ?

You would not have started with the 413 ? ..what are you building?




But that's the problem. There is NO over the counter way to get an aftermarket cam to work with those gears short of sending in the one you have and having it custom re-ground. But then, why do that when there are chain setups that run just as well? Here's a short list of things I pitched when I got this 413:

Heads got swappped for 440 items.
Intake from Weiand.
Couldn't use the cam or even the cam sprocket because the 413 version I had used a gear driven cam that turned backwards.
Rockers and pushrods.
Water pump and housing.
Balancer.
Oil pan.
Distributor and drive gear.
Pistons.
Exhaust manifolds.

Even little nit-noid brackets and bolts didn't fit. In other words, I had to nearly buy a complete 440 just to get the parts to put the 413 into a car. And in the end... I had a 413... down on cubes from a 440. So... that's the deal. If I had to do it over again today... I'd go for a stroked 400. Just me....

Greg
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 07:24 PM

What are you putting this motor together for ? ..what type application?
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 08/27/09 10:01 PM

Actually, past tense. I did the work way back in 1979-80. Back then, I just went to the local Chrysler dealer and got a set of stock flat top 413 pistons to replace the dished MH ones. That was for my 77 Road Runner.

I've still got it. But, like I've said, if I had to do it all over again, I'd go for a stroker 451. 413 is a nice torque motor, but with todays options, it's down on cubes. When was the last time you heard someone want to put money into building a 361?

Greg

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Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 04:29 AM

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Actually, past tense. I did the work way back in 1979-80. Back then, I just went to the local Chrysler dealer and got a set of stock flat top 413 pistons to replace the dished MH ones. That was for my 77 Road Runner.

I've still got it. But, like I've said, if I had to do it all over again, I'd go for a stroker 451. 413 is a nice torque motor, but with todays options, it's down on cubes. When was the last time you heard someone want to put money into building a 361?

Greg




True .. it might be down on cubes .. but the block is much better than most any 440 block.

The prob is getting pistons for it. I am debating having some aftermarket pistons done ...... in bulk...... like 8 plus sets.
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 05:12 AM

And the tiny bores.
We had a 78 (8?)ton grain truck with an industrial 413.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 02:17 PM

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And the tiny bores.
We had a 78 (8?)ton grain truck with an industrial 413.




A 1978 chassis ? .. that had to be an engine transplant .. the OEM stopped building the 413 IND in 1973.

NOT a bad idea though .. it is the BEST tow-motor out-there ..and even made best-er with a tad more compression ratio.
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 04:24 PM

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And the tiny bores.
We had a 78 (8?)ton grain truck with an industrial 413.




A 1978 chassis ? .. that had to be an engine transplant .. the OEM stopped building the 413 IND in 1973.

NOT a bad idea though .. it is the BEST tow-motor out-there ..and even made best-er with a tad more compression ratio.




I think I'll buy an argument on that. My 413 came out of a 1976 motorhome. It is my understanding that 413's were built through the 70's. Here's some info.

1974 - 1979 Dodge Trucks (D50 not included)
1st 1 or 2 letters indicates model (2nd character indicates the series
1 = 100 (1/2 ton) 2 = 200 (3/4 ton) 3 = 300 (1 ton))
D = 2 wheel drive pickup
AD = 2 wheel drive ram charger
PD = 2 wheel drive trail duster
W = 4 wheel drive pickup
AW = 4 wheel drive ram charger
PW = 4 wheel drive trail duster
The 2nd number indicates the body type
1 = conventional cab
2 = crew cab
3 = conv. cab utiline
4 = conv. cab sweptline
5 = crew cab utiline
6 = crew cab sweptline
7 = club cab sweptline
8 = club cab
9 = club cab utiline
The 3rd character indicates the GVW (Confliting data here email any confirmed corrections)
A = 6,000 lbs or less
B = 6,000 - 10,000 lbs (1974 - 1977)
C = 6,000 - 11,500 lbs (1978)
C = 10,001 - 14,000 lbs (1979)
J = 6,000 - 8,500 lbs (1979)
K = 8,501 - 10,000 lbs (1979)
The 4th character indicates the engine
A = 440-3
B = 225-1 series
C = 225-2 series
D = 440-1 series
E = 318-1 series
F = 360
G = 318-3 series
J = 440
K = 361-2 series
L = 361-3 series
M = 361-4 series
R = 413-3 series
T = 360 4-bbl
X = special 6
Y = special 8
The 5th number indicates the model year
4 = 1974
5 = 1975
6 = 1976
7 = 1977
8 = 1978
9 = 1979
The 6th letter indicates the assembly plant
C = Jefferson
J = Windsor
K = Windsor
T or S = warren
X = Missouri

http://oldmopar.com/72-79DodgeTrucks/Info.html

Also:

http://www.chatwebdesign.com/mytravco/VIN.htm

Greg
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 04:43 PM

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http://www.chatwebdesign.com/mytravco/VIN.htm

Greg




This link ?..."says" that there was a 361 motor offered in 1979 !! I would not count on the accuracy of this at-all.

There is an active yahoo-group that has a bunch of Travcos on it .. there are NO motorhomes past 1973 than have a 413 in them ...except mine. My 1974 220 WILL have a 413 in it .. but only because I put it in.
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 06:55 PM

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http://www.chatwebdesign.com/mytravco/VIN.htm

Greg




This link ?..."says" that there was a 361 motor offered in 1979 !! I would not count on the accuracy of this at-all.

There is an active yahoo-group that has a bunch of Travcos on it .. there are NO motorhomes past 1973 than have a 413 in them ...except mine. My 1974 220 WILL have a 413 in it .. but only because I put it in.




I'm STILL gonna buy an argument on this:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Motorhome-KN-Air-Filters-m13-n1661.html

http://www.rv-coach.com/current_category.2176/Forum.112564/offset.60/forum_thread_full.html

http://www.440source.com/enginesupportbrackets.htm

http://shopper.cnet.com/exhaust/1963-1975-dodge-motorhome/4414-19239_9-73760001.html

Greg
Posted By: moparsquid

Re: 413 info - 08/28/09 07:12 PM

the major diff between the two 413,s is the heads, if you inspect them the industial heads dont look anything like a set of street ones(452,906,915, etc.) Iaso believe that the reverse rotation cam was only on boats with twin engines 1 stbd 1 port the reason is for coter-rotating props. and ive seen both types of carbs on these TQ,s and carters(not sure what years) and a holley also.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 09/03/09 09:33 PM

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I'm STILL gonna buy an argument on this:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Motorhome-KN-Air-Filters-m13-n1661.html

http://www.rv-coach.com/current_category.2176/Forum.112564/offset.60/forum_thread_full.html

http://www.440source.com/enginesupportbrackets.htm

http://shopper.cnet.com/exhaust/1963-1975-dodge-motorhome/4414-19239_9-73760001.html

Greg




WHY don't you post a link and another "argument" on a debate that the Earth is flat !

Just breezing through these ....

Your drag-times link ... lists a 1973 Dodge motorhome with a 454 ..

RV Coach post .. the guy says that his motorhome is worth 800$ from a JY .. in steel prices alone.

The 440S link ? .. says that the 413 was available in 1977. That is wrong.

The shopper link? .. says through 1975. What is it ? .. 1975, 1977 ? ...and some businesses claim on eBay through 1979.

And YES Greg .. I am sure that you can find a link somewhere that "proves" the Sun rotates around the Earth.

Posted By: nomore65BelvJim

Re: 413 info - 09/03/09 09:45 PM

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When was the last time you heard someone want to put money into building a 361?






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Posted By: kruger

Re: 413 info - 09/03/09 10:02 PM






WHY don't you post a link and another "argument" on a debate that the Earth is flat !




All the Satellites in orbit,you'd think we'd know by now.
Posted By: Greg55_99

Re: 413 info - 09/04/09 01:05 AM

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WHY don't you post a link and another "argument" on a debate that the Earth is flat !

Just breezing through these ....

Your drag-times link ... lists a 1973 Dodge motorhome with a 454 ..




EEK!

http://colorado.freeshopperads.com/classifieds/58/posts/2/9/134255.html

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RV Coach post .. the guy says that his motorhome is worth 800$ from a JY .. in steel prices alone.

The 440S link ? .. says that the 413 was available in 1977. That is wrong.

The shopper link? .. says through 1975. What is it ? .. 1975, 1977 ? ...and some businesses claim on eBay through 1979.

And YES Greg .. I am sure that you can find a link somewhere that "proves" the Sun rotates around the Earth.






EEK!

http://winnipeg.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-RVs-campers-trailers-1974-Motorhome-W0QQAdIdZ144270894

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/grd/1353792898.html

Truly the earth is flat.... :-)

Greg
Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 413 info - 09/04/09 03:10 AM

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I'm STILL gonna buy an argument on this:

http://www.dragtimes.com/Dodge-Motorhome-KN-Air-Filters-m13-n1661.html

http://www.rv-coach.com/current_category.2176/Forum.112564/offset.60/forum_thread_full.html

http://www.440source.com/enginesupportbrackets.htm

http://shopper.cnet.com/exhaust/1963-1975-dodge-motorhome/4414-19239_9-73760001.html

Greg




WHY don't you post a link and another "argument" on a debate that the Earth is flat !

Just breezing through these ....

Your drag-times link ... lists a 1973 Dodge motorhome with a 454 ..

RV Coach post .. the guy says that his motorhome is worth 800$ from a JY .. in steel prices alone.

The 440S link ? .. says that the 413 was available in 1977. That is wrong.

The shopper link? .. says through 1975. What is it ? .. 1975, 1977 ? ...and some businesses claim on eBay through 1979.

And YES Greg .. I am sure that you can find a link somewhere that "proves" the Sun rotates around the Earth.







Boy,just can't give in can you?
Posted By: DaytonaTurbo

Re: 413 info - 09/04/09 03:47 AM

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Boy,just can't give in can you?




And the funny part is nobody else cares, not even the OP!
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 03:49 AM

JUST want to be as accurate as possible GUYS ..
Posted By: RoyceFlo73

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 05:42 AM

I found the head casting number 2899943 belongs to 413 wedge engines made between 1971-1977.

I think that settles it?

web page
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 05:46 AM

A 943 head available until 1977 ? ....where did that "data" come from ??
Posted By: RoyceFlo73

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 05:48 AM

i'm no expert at all.

I just edited and posted a link.
Posted By: RoyceFlo73

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 05:54 AM

Here are some more

2466676 - Lists as 71-77 413/361 truck and marine under Big block head casting

Lists the latter number as same thing

Just something i found, thats all.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 05:58 AM

OK Royce .... I see that link and all I can say is this .....

There have been links posted here that show a 454 being put into a 1974 Travco.

If you want to believe a 413 was available in 1977 ..... go for it.

The fact is .. is the 413 was dropped in mid-1973 because a 440 cost a TON less to produce. The PRIMARY reason for this cost diff were the 943 heads. ALSO .. the 413 block was special also ... that cost more too.
Posted By: RoyceFlo73

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 06:04 AM

Hey,

I really do not know. I'm only 21, and was not even a though in my parents head when these things were being made.

By no means am I trying to pick a fight. I'm just curious really, somebody said no one cares, but I kinda want to know the actual history on them.

I found that, and I posted it and wanted to hear your response, ya seem to know a lot about them.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that in all the actual mopar books that I do have, I can't find any reference to a 413 made after 73. I just found it interesting that like 5 different websites all posted that, but given the state of the internet, that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Posted By: 62maxwgn

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 12:40 PM

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OK Royce .... I see that link and all I can say is this .....

There have been links posted here that show a 454 being put into a 1974 Travco.

If you want to believe a 413 was available in 1977 ..... go for it.

The fact is .. is the 413 was dropped in mid-1973 because a 440 cost a TON less to produce. The PRIMARY reason for this cost diff were the 943 heads. ALSO .. the 413 block was special also ... that cost more too.




Why,instead of telling the 413 was droped in 1973,show us the documentation that you know is accurate to back it up.No heresay,no missinformation,just actual facts.In other words,prove it.You stated at the beginning of this post that when I said I had a 73 Indian with a 413 and TQ,I was wrong.The TQ came out in 71 as a air metered carb on the 340,72 TQ's were solid fuel and availiable on most 4bbl motors along with the Holley depending on application.413 intake is same configuration as 440,but you should know that.Don't tell me what was/was not on what I bought new and owned for 6yrs.On another note,did you ever see a mid 80"s 360 Dodge /Plymouth police package with a Quadrajet?Quite common,anything could/can exist.As for engines in various motor homes,remember the motor home mfg's bought/installed drivetrains from whoever they choose .
Posted By: ahy

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 01:04 PM

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Hi,I'm looking for info and help on my 73 dodge winnebago,it has a 413 with a 4 barrel holley,and k&n air filter,on a motor with 43,000 original miles, i wanna put a little more HP in her any suggestions,thanks




I've wondered and thought about what you could do with one of these to make a better HD engine. It depends on how far you want to go. Here are some suggestions:

Step 1: Well matched carb, low restriction exhaust, low restriction intake. It sounds like this is done already.

Step 2: Heads and cam. Clean up and pocket port heads, good valve job, hardened seats if not already there, mill for a little more compression, add some duration and lift to the cam. Muscle Motors seems to understand iron heads, I'd ask them what they can do.

Step 3: Quench and compression. Use a step piston if necessary to get compression up with .040" quench. May require fitting each piston. I believe the cr was quite low with these engines (8:1 or less?). If you are willing to buy premium fuel, I bet 9:1 would work and still keep good detonation margin for sustained hard running in hot weather. A bit more cam would be needed with this approach also. There was a poster who did this with a 440 and had a good running and surprisingly efficient truck engine - I don't remember who.

Step 4: All of the above plus stroke it. Don't go crazy - perhaps a 3.9 stroke. A bit more cam would be needed also.

Done carefully, you would gain mid range power without loosing bottom end torque; torque loss caused by the bigger cam would be balanced by benefits of better compression and breathing.
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 05:11 PM

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Hey,

I really do not know. I'm only 21, and was not even a though in my parents head when these things were being made.

By no means am I trying to pick a fight. I'm just curious really, somebody said no one cares, but I kinda want to know the actual history on them.

I found that, and I posted it and wanted to hear your response, ya seem to know a lot about them.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say that in all the actual mopar books that I do have, I can't find any reference to a 413 made after 73. I just found it interesting that like 5 different websites all posted that, but given the state of the internet, that doesn't mean a whole lot.




Royce, you are in fact correct. I just got off the phone with my cousin, whos dad bought a brand new D800 graintruck in 77,(Ithought it was a78), and it did come with a 413 industrial, complete with the rad support sticker justifying its existance. I grew up going to the farm so I can say from firsthand, they are real.
Now that being said, maybe Chrysler only built the one since 73......
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 09/05/09 08:01 PM

GRAINtrucks ? ..

This topic is about a motorhome engine.

And some what proof, docs, facts ? .. just like some of the links that have been supplied here ?

...rotsa' 'ruck with that !

ALL I know is this .. these year MH's are my hobby ...and I know LOTS of people who have them ...and I know what they have. I know guys who have worked in dealerships WHEN these MH's were being sold ...and a friend of mine father WORKED at Trenton-Engine until the mid-80's when he retired.

You guys post all the links you want ... showing a 454 Chebbie motor in a 1974 Travco(when Travco was exclusively Mopar until the late 70's) ..THEN there were Chebbie power-plants because Mopar no-longer made a BB motor.

B U T .. you guys BELIEVE what you want. Have a nice day.
Posted By: Saskabusa

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 03:34 AM

Well if you crack open a 1977/1978 Dodge truck FSM and check out pages 9-49 9-69 you will see that they were producing both 413 and 361 engines. Pages 9-95 9-96 list the specs. Two flavours for each size.

My father had a 77 D800 with an Industrial 413. The nieghbour down the road had a 76 D600 with a 361.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 03:56 AM

Then these motors must have been left over from Trenton engine production. These big trucks were never in that large of a production.

Production of the B engine was stopped in 1978 .. yet there are motorhomes that were titled as late as 1982.

Just left over chassis'. At one time Ma Mopar was the KING of truck and motorhome chassis.
Posted By: Saskabusa

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 04:02 AM

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you BELIEVE what you want. Have a nice day.



Posted By: copchaser

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 04:07 AM

I will agree with the 1977 FSM, listing for both 413 and 361. This battle is getting bloody, I do have a 1979 440 block in my race car, yes a 79 block. Ok, I drank a lot of beer today, close to a 18 pack spead between Hams, and Grainbelt. I seen something I though was interesting today, no it wasn't a UFO but very close. I had a guy stop buy the shop today driving a 1997 ram 2500. That was biult with 6 bolt wheels and even had a non-magum 360 factory installed in it. No air bags, a fancy little bottle jack that a Chrysler sticker on it. Everything under the hood was in spanish, some sort of mexican inported truck.
Posted By: B5 Bee

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 07:35 AM

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the major diff between the two 413,s is the heads, if you inspect them the industial heads dont look anything like a set of street ones(452,906,915, etc.) Iaso believe that the reverse rotation cam was only on boats with twin engines 1 stbd 1 port the reason is for coter-rotating props.




Not all reverse rotation Marine motors were one of a pair. The single motor boats with Vdrive used them. Vdrive motors sit at the rear of the boat backwards with the trans and V unit going forward. The motors used a timing chain and reverse cam.
I hope the same cam the 413-3 with gear drive uses is the one used in rev rot marine 440s. I have a 413-3 gear drive set coming from a Moparts member that I think will allow me to run a std rotation cam in the rev rotation 440 in my Century Arabian19.
Any ideas as to whether a twin gear drive with a standard rotation cam will run a 440 backwards?
Posted By: BBCoronet

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 12:48 PM

Motorhomes were built around a truck chassis....Dodge / GM / ??? ....With that being said.... What ever engines were available in the that chassis can be had in what was being built around it. So, IF a 413 was availble until 1977 in the larger Dodge trucks than surely we must believe that A MH could have been built using a 413. I'm not saying they were or not....Just pointing out that MH's are built around existing / available chassis' and their engines - Not the other way around. I "Never say Never" afterall..How many times has there been a car or option discovered that everyone said "Never" existed.
Posted By: 268RTs4ME

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 12:49 PM

I have a 413 66 and a 361, anybody want to buy em?????????
Posted By: RemCharger

Re: 413 info - 09/06/09 03:17 PM

Quote:

Quote:

you BELIEVE what you want. Have a nice day.






Thanks , Ben. I'll believe what I SEE.
Posted By: MrBuffo

Re: 413 info - 11/23/19 08:16 AM

I see this is an old post but I was wondering if you did have pistons made for the 413-1 ? I have mine torn apart now trying to track down some engine noise , I'm thinking about putting a new cam in it . Not sure if I can find a replacement close to stock, I gotta make some calls I guess, any camshaft in mind that would fit this motor?Anyway, Thanks for any input
Posted By: Sniper

Re: 413 info - 11/23/19 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by MrBuffo
I see this is an old post but I was wondering if you did have pistons made for the 413-1 ? I have mine torn apart now trying to track down some engine noise , I'm thinking about putting a new cam in it . Not sure if I can find a replacement close to stock, I gotta make some calls I guess, any camshaft in mind that would fit this motor?Anyway, Thanks for any input


Not sure how you thought reviving a dead 10 year old thread that was mostly a pissing contest was gonna help, a fresh thread would have done better, mostly because old Doc flappergasser will fire back up and this thread will turn too poo again.

That said any custom piston maker will make whatever piston you want. Or you could have looked at Summit Racing and see what they had.

Back when I redid the 413 in my 64 300 I ran the old DC Street Hemi grind in it. Basically it had the same specs as the Hemi but n a B/RB cam, P4452993AE is the latest version.
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 413 info - 11/23/19 05:04 PM

I took a 1972 413-3 short block in trade on assembling a 440 motor for a local customer, I ended up using one of Ma Mopar 4.15 stroke 8 bolt stroker crankshaft in it along with having Racetec make me a set of 4.250 bore pistons of a set of Eagle forged steel H beam street hemi rods I had from another customer who step up to a 4.25 stroke crank with a set of 7.100 long BB Chevy type H beam Molnar rods with the 2000 ARP bolts in them.
I'm going to use that motor in a 1963 Plymouth Fury project car I bought several years ago, tell the local GM and Ford guys it has a old 413 truck motor in it with a set of aluminum heads devil
Posted By: billohio

Re: 413 info - 11/23/19 05:18 PM

I have a 300G and my engine guy has no use for cast pistons and had ross make a set. Not cheap but just what we wanted.

I had no luck finding any good used ones
Posted By: Cab_Burge

Re: 413 info - 11/23/19 05:40 PM

I've used several 413-3 truck blocks in my racing days in my 1963 M.W Plymouth Belevere in NHRA stock class after breaking a rod and ruining the original 426 M.W. block whiney
I did have them sonic tested and maganflux first, one of them may have ended u p being bore to 4.280 to start with, maybe not confusedCRS blush I would have the crankshafts offset ground to increase the stroke .013 devil
I'm not sure if the 413 blocks in the early 300 where special or not like the marine, industrial and truck blocks where later shruggy
I bought a 1957 300 C hardtop in in 1968 for $500.00 after getting out of the Army, that was out family car for a long time up
I had a chance to buy a ready to drive1959 Fconvertible in early 1965 for $200.00 from a local garage in 29 Palms ,CA. I didn't because I liked the Hemi motorsrealcrazy
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 11/24/19 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by MrBuffo
I see this is an old post but I was wondering if you did have pistons made for the 413-1 ? I have mine torn apart now trying to track down some engine noise , I'm thinking about putting a new cam in it . Not sure if I can find a replacement close to stock, I gotta make some calls I guess, any camshaft in mind that would fit this motor?Anyway, Thanks for any input


Not sure how you thought reviving a dead 10 year old thread that was mostly a pissing contest was gonna help, a fresh thread would have done better, mostly because old Doc flappergasser will fire back up and this thread will turn too poo again.

That said any custom piston maker will make whatever piston you want. Or you could have looked at Summit Racing and see what they had.

Back when I redid the 413 in my 64 300 I ran the old DC Street Hemi grind in it. Basically it had the same specs as the Hemi but n a B/RB cam, P4452993AE is the latest version.


Hay Snoopy .... that’s Duck FlipperMaster !

Reasonable replacement pistons are still available out there
Posted By: Sniper

Re: 413 info - 11/24/19 10:01 PM

$90 a piston for shelf stock isn't "reasonable".

I can buy pistons for less for my 218.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 11/24/19 10:22 PM

Snoopster..... 90 beans each ?

WHERE are you shopping?

I’ll sell you mine for 80 clams each and use that loot to put a hefty down payment on a canal lot in da Keys !
Posted By: Sniper

Re: 413 info - 11/25/19 02:35 AM

Originally Posted by Doc Fiberglass
Snoopster..... 90 beans each ?

WHERE are you shopping?

I’ll sell you mine for 80 clams each and use that loot to put a hefty down payment on a canal lot in da Keys !


Did you click on the Summit link I posted?

No one wants used pistons for $80 a crack either.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 11/25/19 03:57 AM

Snoopster ... please fOcUs !

There’s a NEW SET on eBay RIGHT NOW for 399 all day long tsk tonguue

And the last set I got on eBay was a cast set that was in a rebuild that went bad .... barely 20
miles or so ... a pig fat Berry carb ... among other things. Other than the piston pic - WHAT SPEC would you ask for ? THIS SET -!like 110$ !

Another set of NEW std bore 426 MW 11 to ones ... no pins ... 150$.

To the guy who doesn’t like cast pistons ... they are fine in a NA motor.
Posted By: scratchnfotraction

Re: 413 info - 11/25/19 03:16 PM

IMHO, the best thing to do with an Indust. 413 it ditch all of the guts and add a stroker crank to make a 426 wedge engine out of it. way cheaper than a real 426 wedge or max wedge engine now days.

and I do think it is all over the counter parts readily available today. that block is the [censored] for a cloning 426 max wedges.

0.02 $
Posted By: Sniper

Re: 413 info - 11/26/19 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by scratchnfotraction
IMHO, the best thing to do with an Indust. 413 it ditch all of the guts and add a stroker crank to make a 426 wedge engine out of it. way cheaper than a real 426 wedge or max wedge engine now days.

and I do think it is all over the counter parts readily available today. that block is the [censored] for a cloning 426 max wedges.

0.02 $



You realize a 426 wedge is a .0625 over 413? Not sure anyone makes that tiny a stroker crank to turn a 413 into a 426.

As for the Ebay pistons, no link no exist.
Posted By: dOrk !

Re: 413 info - 11/27/19 12:06 AM

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Chrysler-413-Flat-Top-Cast-Pistons-030-1959-65/192164103970
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