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NON SILICA BLASTING MATERIAL?WHAT TO USE?HELP #448630
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hi,i have been restoring a 69 runner,i take the doors and big stuff to the blaster,but i bought the little one from sears to do little stuff,around tailights-ect,i dont need anymore breathing probs,so what do you guys use that is safe for like door jambs,rockers,thanks guys-jeff

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Aluminum Oxide is good and Black Beauty which I believe is coal slag.

Re: NON SILICA BLASTING MATERIAL?WHAT TO USE?HELP [Re: dodgem1] #448632
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Coal slage will be your best bet and cheapest. 20/40 grit for heavy buildup and 30/60 for finer work. I'd get some of both. You find it at places that sells bricks and blocks.



Here's my gold car, used coal slage and plastic media on the outside, every inch was blasted.

Re: NON SILICA BLASTING MATERIAL?WHAT TO USE?HELP [Re: Challenger 1] #448633
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coal slag
USER CAUTION!: Normal usage of BLACK MAGICŪ as an abrasive blasting media may cause mechanical breakdown of the product with the potential of producing significant amounts of respirable(< 10 micron) dusts. In addition, the potential for exceeding the TLV and Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL) of a toxic material must be evaluated depending on the nature of the surface treated. For example, using BLACK MAGICŪ for abrasive blasting of a surface covered with lead based paint can pose a risk for exceeding the TLV or PEL for lead.
Iron Oxide: 1-60% Sulfur Trioxide: 0-15%
Amorphous Silica: 1-55% Phosphorus Pentoxide: 0-1%
Crystalline Silica: < 1% Aluminum Oxide: 15-40%
Titanium Dioxide: 0-5% Calcium Oxide: 0-30%
Magnesium Oxide: 0-6% Sodium Oxide: 0-2


Breathing dust containing silica will cause silicosis, a fatal lung disease.
Breathing dust during blasting operations will cause asbestosis, lead poisoning
and/or other serious or fatal diseases. A NIOSH-approved, well-maintained, supplied-air abrasive
blasting respirator must be used by anyone blasting, anyone handling or using the abrasive and
anyone in the area of the dust. Harmful dust containing toxic material from abrasives or surfaces
being blasted can remain suspended in the air for long periods of time after blasting has ceased.
Failure to avoid the above danger will result in death or serious injury.

safer than sand but still need to be careful. ever see any old coal miners?

crushed glass works really well and is cheap. i would use glass over black magic

Re: NON SILICA BLASTING MATERIAL?WHAT TO USE?HELP [Re: chrisf] #448634
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coal slag
USER CAUTION!: Normal usage of BLACK MAGICŪ as an abrasive blasting media may cause mechanical breakdown of the product with the potential of producing significant amounts of respirable(< 10 micron) dusts. In addition, the potential for exceeding the TLV and Permissible Exposure Limit (PEL) of a toxic material must be evaluated depending on the nature of the surface treated. For example, using BLACK MAGICŪ for abrasive blasting of a surface covered with lead based paint can pose a risk for exceeding the TLV or PEL for lead.
Iron Oxide: 1-60% Sulfur Trioxide: 0-15%
Amorphous Silica: 1-55% Phosphorus Pentoxide: 0-1%
Crystalline Silica: < 1% Aluminum Oxide: 15-40%
Titanium Dioxide: 0-5% Calcium Oxide: 0-30%
Magnesium Oxide: 0-6% Sodium Oxide: 0-2


Breathing dust containing silica will cause silicosis, a fatal lung disease.
Breathing dust during blasting operations will cause asbestosis, lead poisoning
and/or other serious or fatal diseases. A NIOSH-approved, well-maintained, supplied-air abrasive
blasting respirator must be used by anyone blasting, anyone handling or using the abrasive and
anyone in the area of the dust. Harmful dust containing toxic material from abrasives or surfaces
being blasted can remain suspended in the air for long periods of time after blasting has ceased.
Failure to avoid the above danger will result in death or serious injury.

safer than sand but still need to be careful. ever see any old coal miners?

crushed glass works really well and is cheap. i would use glass over black magic





OMG I should be dead by now!

Glass beads are way more $$ and are just as nasty to breath.

I've done a little blasting over the years, alot actually.

Re: NON SILICA BLASTING MATERIAL?WHAT TO USE?HELP [Re: Challenger 1] #448635
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i didnt say glass beads. i said crushed glass, beads are 4x the price and do the same job.

were all invicible until we die.lol

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i didnt say glass beads. i said crushed glass, beads are 4x the price and do the same job.

were all invicible until we die.lol





Have never used crushed glass except in my blast cabinet when the glass beads turn to dust. Thanks I'll look into it.

The building supply place I buy some of my media quit selling silica sand about 5 years ago because of the health risks. It's still used today with the proper precautions. Anyway they started selling slage and it works just as good, IMO
There another abrasive company in town that sells plastic and other media, but it is 440 bucks for a 200# drum of urea plastic. It can and is designed to be reused as it splinters on impact keeping it's jagged shape for cutting. Silica sand on the other hand is not as effective the second time around because it get's smoother upon impact. Slage splinters some also upon impact making it better than silca sand for reuse.

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How about removing factory undercoat? What works the best. I have a small blaster just havent used it quite yet.

Josh

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How about removing factory undercoat? What works the best. I have a small blaster just havent used it quite yet.

Josh







Car stripped on a spit?

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um..what?

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How about removing factory undercoat? What works the best. I have a small blaster just havent used it quite yet.

Josh




you may get away with glass most likely you will need to scrape it off first. torch/scraper style

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um..what?




Is the car stripped bare mounted on a rotisserie?

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Stripped yes, but I dont have rotissary (sp?) so right now its on jack stands

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If it was, you can steam clean it first before any blasting takes place. That way very little blasting is required to get the metal bare, less stress on the metal so to speak. Done a few cars like this, in my back yard.

Here's the car before any pressure washing was done.

Did the front end before I pulled the K and the rest of the parts.

Did the bottem in 3 1/2 hours of hi pressure steam cleaning aided by gasoline sprayed on the the undercoating to soften it up. Don't use diesel or kerosene!


Not one scrape or gouge mark anywhere, it could be painted like it is, but a very light blasting makes it ready for paint. Way better than scrapping your butt off and ten times faster.



After cleanup with the broom and shovel. Gas is important to use because it evaporates and doesn't go far and never killed my grass because with the high heat it's gone fast. One afternoon and it's done, not easy but better than the alternative. Rent a steam pressure cleaner when it comes time for this job if you have a spit for the car. You could never do it on your back, too hot.


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isn't glass made from silica? dennis

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the problem with silica sand is when it hits the piece your blasting it breaks up into (FISHOOK)shaped particals that when breathed in get stuck on your lungs,your cilia mucus hairs cant bring them back up,so DONT, even if your using a seprate air resp,do not take it off if your still in the blast area,a good practice on any blasting,yes glass is made from silica sand but crushed glass media is made of old beer bottles and car windsheilds,when sand is melted to make glass the silica is gone or reformed ,it is now safe if you use a good 3m organic resp,i would still do it outside-jeff

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As you use the sand it brakes up as stated above. If you use it and reuse it will end up being just powder. You end up with less and less as you reuse it. Just a plain dust mask is silly. Use at least a resperator like used when shooting paint.
Coal slag cuts better but lets face it nothing we do is realy good for you, Sand blasting, epoxy primer, 2 K primer,Spraying/Sanding everything ect. is not good.
I used to remove old floors and sand them that had Asbestos in it. Sand and screape cement slabs, Use of glues that had realy bad solvents in them{worse than many paints}


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But what about soda blasting? Isnt it safer than the previous mentioned ways? Also doesnt it leave a residue that will prevent flash rusting and it wont hurt trim & glass (if for some reason you'd run into it)

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As you use the sand it brakes up as stated above. If you use it and reuse it will end up being just powder. You end up with less and less as you reuse it. Just a plain dust mask is silly. Use at least a resperator like used when shooting paint.
Coal slag cuts better but lets face it nothing we do is realy good for you, Sand blasting, epoxy primer, 2 K primer,Spraying/Sanding everything ect. is not good.





Red Garnet is harder than glass or sand. Recovery to re use is higher and creates the least dust. It can come in different size grades. IMO I think this is the perfect media to use for underside blasting if you plan to do it yourself.

http://www.waterjetgarnet.com/garnet_tech_sheet.html

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Red Garnet is harder than glass or sand. Recovery to re use is higher and creates the least dust. It can come in different size grades. IMO I think this is the perfect media to use for underside blasting if you plan to do it yourself.





Where do you buy it and what does it cost???

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