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K-Frame identification E & B Body #442807
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Ok, call me stupid but I really don't know how to differentiate between an E-body and B-body K Frame. I have looked for a part number on 2 I have but can not find them anywhere. Is there a specific place to find the part number on these? I just don't want to accidentily install the wrong one and have any problems. Thanks in advance!


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Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: efisixpack] #442808
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I'd like to know the difference too.
If it has a skid plate and a little metal disc welded to the front, is the an E or B body K-frame?

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: Dave Watt] #442809
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the main differance is the angle that the steering box mounts.
that would be the area thats different between the two..

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: flypaper] #442810
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Is the angle different enough that you can see it with the naked eye?

Perhaps all we need is a photo of the angle and we'll be able to see the difference.

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Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: cataclysm80] #442811
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depents on what years your talking about. ! know 1970-72 b-body interchange with 1970-74 e-body. Skid plat indicated HP car, but they all will take small/big blocks with just motor mounts.

1969 earlier have the swaybar that goes under the k-member, while 1970+ has the swaybar through it. they will bolt under each other, though it would move engine location on some models depending on the k-member. I don't have any pics to show the diffrence.

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: migsBIG] #442812
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E-body and '71-'72 B-body K-members interchange.

'70 B-body is different.

The steering box mounts at more of an angle on '66-'70 B-bodies.

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: DoctorDiff] #442813
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Is there an easy way to distiguish the difference visually between them? I believe I may have a B-body K-frame in my 70 challenger (always been just a driver/beater and never paid much attention to it) but I do have steering issues which have led me in this direction of questioning. Any other tips so I can be sure of what I have? Thanks for the responses so far.


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Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: efisixpack] #442814
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If the steering box is aligned nicely with the steering column, you have the correct K-member. The steering coupler will not have much of an angle.

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: DoctorDiff] #442815
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The disc (tag) welded to the front has the last 2 digits of the part number....other will hopefully chip in with the list of numbers.

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Quote:

The disc (tag) welded to the front has the last 2 digits of the part number....other will hopefully chip in with the list of numbers.



Thanks, that's the information I needed.

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: Dave Watt] #442817
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Identifying K-Members, located here (Schumacher website):

www.engine-swaps.com

3 pages worth!~


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Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: Ron_M] #442818
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Unfortunately, that link does not show the difference between E-body and pre '71 E-body K-members.

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: DoctorDiff] #442819
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From my archives! (i.e. stored prior Moparts posts... )
Last 2 digits of part numbers that appear on tag....

# 52 is late 70 E-Body 318/340/383 & T/A
#74 is late 70&71 383/440 w/skid plate E-body
#74 is also 71 B&E Body V-8 (except hemi )W/Skid
#74 is also 73 E-body 318/340 W/skid plare

that's all I have..

Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: Gavin] #442820
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I have a Bare K Frame sitting in my Garage I pulled from a 1970 440-6, 4 speed Cuda, the number on the K frame is 77.


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Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: hemicar1971] #442821
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I have a K-Frame from a 71 383 Charger, W/O skid plate. The number on the tag is #12.

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The early 70 cars don't have the coins. It was started during 70 model year and continued after that.

K Frame part #'s

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Re: K-Frame identification E & B Body [Re: cataclysm80] #442823
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Interesting! So according to the chart, #12 would be P/N #2962012 for 70 E-Body with 318/340/383 engines.

This even though my #12 k-frame came off a 1971 B-Body 383 car???

Now I’m suspect because according to this Frank Adkins book:



66-to-72 B-Body and 70-to-74 E-body k-members ALL interchange the only variances being the sway bar mounts.

Now I’m going to have to dig out my original 68 Charger k-member and compare it to my 71 Charger #12 k-member.

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"Interchange" can be a fairly loose term, all of those mentioned will physically interchange but there are differences besides the sway bar mount. The steering box angle is definitely a factor in the B/E interchange after '70. AMHIK


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Thanks for the information guys. We found out that the K-frame in my buddy's '69 Road Runner has been changed to a '70 E-body with skid plate. I painted the engine compartment a year ago and realized the the steering column didn't line up properly with the box.

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Quote:

Thanks for the information guys. We found out that the K-frame in my buddy's '69 Road Runner has been changed to a '70 E-body with skid plate. I painted the engine compartment a year ago and realized the the steering column didn't line up properly with the box.




What kind of issues does that cause having the steering box at a slightly forward angle?

After reading the conflicting data between the fore mentioned book and the info in this thread, I went and compared the k-frames from a 68 Charger and one from the 71 Charger.

Yes, there is a slight pitch difference in steering box angle as well as the idler arm bracket.

This is unfortunate news as I purchased the 71 k-frame to swap into my 69 Road Runner because I want to front mount single piston disc brake calipers.


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