Combo/tune database - post yours!
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So, I was hanging out at a Mustang forum the other day, and was thinking about how cool it was that they could try eachother's tunes by sharing tune files. Since there are 80 skizillion Mustang combos, chances are great of finding someone with an almost perfect replica of what's under your own hood.
Obviously there are way less of us, and we can't install other people's tunes instantly. BUT, maybe if there was a database of combos (everything about your car) and razor sharp tunes(jetting/timing)....we might be able to get a better head start on hashing out our own tunes (as in, better carb jetting/timing curves/cam-converter-gear-weight setups).
What do you think?
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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10/18/03 02:17 PM
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I think that is a good idea .but there so many things you cold enter like deck hight , pistion to deck , cc of pistion dome , gasket thickness, cyl head cc, type of porting , cam , cam cl ,installed cl, duration, lift, valve lash, rocker ratio, intake , ported ,spacer, carb , carb cfm, jets front ,jets back, powervalve front back ore none ,scoop, ram air, sealed to carb,under hood air, distributor , timeing,advanced, initial, all in by , plug brand ,heat range gap , whell you get the idea so if you put down what things you are looking for I think the nice people here would share some of there combos with you I would
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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I like it. If the major categories (motor type, size, head casting) were fields, it could put put into Excel and sorted on your search parameters (rather than have to look down the list every time).
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Thanks Ejit!
Like Jeff said, just basic combo stuff (the stuff you'd spout off to a guy who asked you about your combo at a show, for instance). Not really to replace time on a dyno or at the track, but just a comparison / suggestion.
I'll even compile the data and throw it into Excel, then make it available as I update it. Once in Excel, you'd be able to search combos similar to your own by engine displacement, cam size, etc, etc.
Sound good?
I think a good data set might look like this:
Type: B block
Displacement: 400"
Compression ratio: 8:1
Head type: "452" (or Indy, or Edelbrock, B1, whatever)
Flow #s (if any):
Cam type: (solid/hyd/flat/roller, PN if shelf)
Specs: 284/484 (add split pattern #s), adv. or @ 0.050
LSA: 114
Installed at:
Intake manifold: (Performer RPM, Indy, etc)
Exhaust: 1 3/4" primary (or manifolds, etc)
Carb type: (Holley, Demon, Carter)
Size: 750
Jetting: (all relevant springs/jets, etc)
Base timing: 10 degrees BTDC
Total timing: 35 degrees BTDC @ 2500 rpm
Power adder: (turbo/blower/nitrous)
Type: (garrett T4/Paxton/Annihilator, etc)
Blower impeller speed:
Nitrous jet combo:
Amount of positive manifold pressure/nitrous hit:
Intercooler: Y/N, eff. #s if any
Timing pulled if any:
Trans type (manual/auto)
Torque Converter size:
Stall behind your motor:
Gear ratios: (stock / custom)
Rearend ratio:
Tire size:
Vehicle weight:
Horsepower (if dyno'd, specify FWHP or WHP):
Torque (as above):
E.T. (specify 1/8th, 1/4):
MPH (as above):
Comments:
Anything I've left out? It seems like a lot, but thankfully there is 'cut and paste.' To keep it all searchable, it would be in cells you could search things by.
Anyone wanna go first? I just think it would be a good asset to the community....and maybe if your car is tuned as good as it's gonna get, some other member might see it and say "you may have too much cam, etc, etc."
P.S. if you have EFI, feel free to replace carb stats with tune files / settings, injector size, rail pressure, pump type/size, etc, etc.
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Type:'68 440 block
Displacement: 440"
Compression ratio: 9.2:1
Head type: '516' 2.08/1.74 valves, pocket ported milled .060 65cc chambers
Flow #s your guess as good as mine
Cam type: hyd. MP#P4120237
Specs 509 lift/ .248 degrees @.050/ 108centerline
Installed at:108
Intake manifold: M1 single plane
Exhaust: 1 3/4" primary 3" collectors
Carb type: (Carter #4327S)
Size: 750
Jetting: Pri- 107's Sec- 104's, rods-.071x.0475, squirters-.081, drilled primary emulsion tubes to .040, drilled primary throttle plates .089
Base timing: 38 degrees
Total timing: 38 degrees @650 rpm
Power adder: none
Trans type Torque flite
Torque Converter size: TA-10"
Stall behind your motor: 3800+
Gear ratios: (stock)
Rearend ratio: 4.57
Tire size: 10.5/30.5
Vehicle weight: 3550
Horsepower (Not enough)
Torque (Not enough)
E.T. 60ft.-1.63, 7.70-1/8, 12.20-1/4
MPH: 106.88
Comments: The truck pushes about 38 square feet of air and has 67% weight over front axle. Cam was installed straight up to kill the bottom end a little. I advanced the cam later to 104.5 and didn't see a change in performance. Also switched to a 850 holley and picked up 2mph. I tried a MP 590 mechanical degreed at 100, no change in performance over the 509. Tried a BG 1140 stageIII reaction time 3 circuit dominator, 60fts. stayed the same but ran 2 tenths slower. Was lean at WOT, not enough motor for it.
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Type: LA SB Displacement: 340" Compression ratio: 10:1 Head type: "X" pocket ported / gasket matched Flow #s (if any): ... Cam type: Solid MP Specs: 284/528adv. LSA: 112 I believe Installed at: 4* advanced Intake manifold: Performer RPM Exhaust: hedman Headers - 2.5" w/ 40serie flowmaster Carb type: Demon Size: 650 Jetting: 70/76 Base timing: 10 degrees BTDC Total timing: 38 degrees BTDC 3000 rpm
Power adder: None
Trans type: 727 Auto trans Torque Converter size: TCS 3200rpm Stall behind your motor: 3000 brake stall Gear ratios: stock
Rearend ratio: 4.30's Tire size: 9.5x26.1 Hoosier QTP's Vehicle weight: 3750lbs Horsepower: Calculated at +/- 325hp RWhp Torque (as above): - 60ft: 1.84 E.T.: 13.470 - 1/4m MPH: 102.5mph Comments: Tryed different jets but the challenger seemed to perform best with this jets in it. Strip altitude is just below sealevel. 1/4 ET is run in hot weather, dry & 25*C. Don't know the *F. Car is just to heavy for 12's with this combo. So up to replacing the 340 by a 493 eh.
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Jeff -
I'm doing the compiling......so far each member has an entire row for themselves, and the columns have the headings. It takes about 5 minutes per name to do. (Yes, I leave out all the stuff Excel wouldn't like, punctuation, etc, etc.) I am open to suggestions, though.
I figure this way, you can highlight a column and do a search within it. For instance, a guy can search for all people with demons, or all people with 360s, etc, etc.
Again, open to suggestions.........
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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what if your motor has been bored(.030,.060,.100) and if you run a exhaust(2",2 1/2",3"??..to the rear or bumper?) i like to know about exhaust cuz thats how i run my car...3" with welded summit race muffs to the rear. some cars run really well and then i find out it was with open headers and know there going 13's i know theres ALOT of stuff you guys can put on here and use...you DO NOT have to use anything i said ,i was just giving my 2 cents..thats all keep up the great job and i think its a GREAT idea!!!
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Type: LA SB Displacement: 360 .020 over Compression ratio: 9.4:1 Head type: stock '76 smog heads with 1.88/1.60 valves Flow #s: Who cares? Cam type: Hughes Hydraulic HE2430 Specs: 270/276 dur, .504/.515 lift, .224/.230 Dur @ .050 LSA: 110 Installed at: 2 deg advanced Intake manifold: Performer RPM w/ lifter valley baffle Exhaust: Hooker Super Comps 1 3/4 w/ 3in collector, 2.5 in exhaust w/Hedman X pipe, Summit Turbos and Dynomax bullets Carb type: Holley Street Avenger Size: 670 Jetting: yellow spring with 71/76 jets Base timing: 18 deg initial Total timing: 35 degrees BTDC @ 3000RPM
Trans type Torque flite 727 Torque Converter size: Hughes 3000 10 inch Stall behind your motor: No tach, I don't know! Gear ratios: stock
Rearend ratio: 3.23 Auburn SG Tire size: 26x10 M/T Slicks Vehicle weight: 3400 lb race weight, half tank of premium E.T.: 1/4 mile 13.57 w/ 1.95 60 foot MPH (as above): 101.8 MPH Comments: This is in my Dodge Challenger. It's very quiet(but it lopes some) very driveable and gets 14-15 MPG down the highway with lots of passing power. With 29 inch radial tires it will run 14.00s all day long, stick slicks on it and power brake it a little more and it runs 13.50s! low gears and better heads are the modifications this winter
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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This is a great idea, and we all appreciate you pitching in - I would have no idea how to compile this stuff! I'm afraid I have nothing useful to contribute at the moment since my combo is new carb, new exhaust so no jetting etc. so far, but: Type: LA 340 Displacement: 394" (340 + .030" X 3.79") Compression ratio: 9.5:1 Head type: W2 ported by Barton Flow #s (if any): ? Cam type: Comp Cams custom Specs: 250 @ 0.050 LSA: ? Installed at: ? Intake manifold: Holley Strip Dominator Exhaust: ported early 340 hi-per iron manifolds Carb type: Holley 4010 Size: 750 Jetting: 8.5 PV Base timing: 15 degrees BTDC Total timing: 35 degrees BTDC @ 2500 rpm
Power adder: none Type: NA Blower impeller speed: NA Nitrous jet combo: NA Amount of positive manifold pressure/nitrous hit: NA Intercooler: NA Timing pulled if any: NA
Trans type 727 Torque Converter size: 10" Dynamic Stall behind your motor: 3000? Gear ratios: stock 727 Rearend ratio: 3.90 Tire size: 235/60-15 Vehicle weight: 3400? Horsepower (if dyno'd, specify FWHP or WHP): Torque (as above): E.T. (specify 1/8th, 1/4): MPH (as above): Comments: "in progress"
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Re: Combo/tune database - post yours!
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1964 Dodge B/body block RB displacement 440+.030 compression ratio 13.9:1 heads edelbrock gasket matched cam MP 620 Instaled 103.5 intake Victor exhaust 2in A body fenderwell headers carb holley 950HP jetting 82 front with 2.5 powervalve 90 rear no PV timing 10 btdc total 36 btdc all in at 2400 trans 727 converter ATI 8in 4500 stall gear 4.56 slickss 11.5x29.5x15W 13.4 wide tread 31in diameter car weight 2840# + 240# driver =3080# launch RPM 2000 shift RPM 6600 trap RPM 7200 60 ft 1.48 best on SS springs avrage 1.50 1/8 6.52@105.7 1/4 10.25@131.4
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Re: Combo/tune database - post yours!
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Type: LA SB
Displacement: 340" (+.040")
Compression ratio: Not Yet Known
Head type: "J" (2.02 x 1.60)
Flow #s (if any): ...
Cam type: Comp Cams 270H (Hydraulic)
Specs: 270 dur, 224@.050, .470 lift
LSA: 110
Installed at: 4* advanced (106*)
Intake manifold: Performer RPM
Exhaust: Stock manifolds - 2-1/4" w/H pipe, stock style mufflers/resonators
Carb type: Speed Demon
Size: 650
Jetting: 70/78 (.031 squirters, 9.5pv)
Base timing: 20 degrees BTDC
Total timing: 36 degrees BTDC 2700 rpm
Power adder: None
Trans type: 727 Auto trans (TF-2)
Torque Converter size: Turbo Action 10"
Stall behind your motor: 3000 brake stall, 33-3500 flash.
Gear ratios: Stock
Rearend ratio: 3:55's
Tire size: P245 60R14/P225 60R14, BFG's
Vehicle weight: apx. 3800lbs
Horsepower: Not Known
Torque (as above): -
60ft:
E.T.: - 1/4m
MPH:
1970 YO7 A66 [Canadian Export] F8 Challenger 340 (Currently in shop for stroker assy.)
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Re: Combo/tune database - post yours!
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One should write a web application for people to input this stuff b4 it gets too hairy. Ask Aaron if he's tried to compile ColdFusion on his system after copying it off the disc.
A little web app would make this really quite easy.
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Type: RB
Displacement: 440 (x.030)
Compression ratio: 9.5:1
Head type: Stock 906 2.08/1.81...
Cam type: Summit
Specs: 224/234 @.050 465/488 lift
LSA: 114
Installed at: Straight up
Intake manifold: Performer RPM
Exhaust: 1 3/4 Headers into dual 2 1/2 pipes. (raced open headers.)
Carb type: Holley D.P. with Proform main body and 1/2 inch spacer
Size: 750
Jetting: 82/86 (.031 squirters, 6.5pv)
Base timing: 20 degrees BTDC
Total timing: 40 degrees BTDC 2600 rpm
Power adder: None
Trans type: 727 Auto trans
Torque Converter size: Mopar 175k
Stall behind your motor: 2600-2800 flash.
Gear ratios: stock
Rearend ratio: 3:91s
Tire size: M.T. et. Streets 28x11
Vehicle weight: apx. 3850lbs with driver and gas as raced
Horsepower: Not Known
Torque (as above): -
60ft: somewhere in the 8's
E.T.: - 1/4m 12.90
MPH: 104.7
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Type: LA 360, ’73 casting Displacement: 365" (360+.030”) Compression ratio: 9.2:1 (KB107’s) Head type: "X" casting, 72cc chambers Flow #s (if any): no idea. Intake runners ported lighlty, exhaust runners ported a bunch Cam type: solid, Crower #31321 Specs: 294/298 adv dur, 243/245 dur @ 0.050, .521/.528 gross valve lift, .022/.024 lash LSA: 112 Installed at: 108 Intake manifold: Performer RPM Exhaust: 1 5/8" primary, 2 1/2” pipe to axle, Hooker Aerochamber mufflers Carb type: Mighty Demon Size: 650 Jetting: 73/81 jets, 6.5” PV, 1/2” 4-hole plastic carb spacer Base timing: 20 degrees BTDC Total timing: 33 degrees BTDC @ 2600 rpm Power adder: none Type: Blower impeller speed: Nitrous jet combo: Amount of positive manifold pressure/nitrous hit: Intercooler: Y/N, eff. #s if any Timing pulled if any: Trans type: 904 Torque Converter size: 11” MP 175K Stall behind your motor: 2700 against brakes, 3000-3200 flash Gear ratios: stock Rearend ratio: 3.55 Tire size: G60-15 Vehicle weight: 3150 (‘72 Duster), without me, with full tank of gas, full spare, all steel. Horsepower (if dyno'd, specify FWHP or WHP): ? Torque (as above): ? E.T. (specify 1/8th, 1/4): don’t know yet… MPH (as above): Comments: Fresh motor with 2000 miles. Nice lumpy idle and very drivable. Smooth off-idle transition, even with 3.55’s. Pulls 12-13” vacuum at 800 RPM. The motor is just as happy at 1500 RPM as it is at 6000+. 12-13MPG, but I didn't build it for fuel milage. Can’t wait to get this thing to the track, hope to go low 13’s at least.
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Re: Combo/tune database - post yours!
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Type:'77 440 block Displacement: 440" +.030" pistons:ross dome 10.5cc rods: C.A.T. rods stock 440 size Compression ratio: 12.5:1 Head type: '452' 2.19/1.81 valves, max ported milled .040" Flow #s flow in.285 @.650/ex.234 @650 with tube Cam type: soild. from Straight-line Specs 615-608 lift/ 264/274 degrees @.050/ 112centerline Installed at:108 Intake manifold: M1 tunnel ram Exhaust: 1 7/8" primary 3 1/2" collectors Carb type: holley X 2 Size: 750 (1500cfm) Jetting: still working on it Base timing: 28 degrees Total timing: 36 degrees Power adder: none Trans type 833 4-speed 23-spline Gear ratios: (stock) Rearend ratio: 4.10 dana 60 Tire size: 12.5/28" Vehicle weight: 3500 Horsepower (?) Torque (?) E.T. ? MPH: ? It Is only my street car.
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Re: Combo/tune database - post yours!
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Type LA
Displacement 360 +.030
Pistons K.B. #107 flat top
Rods stock reconditoned A.R.P. bolts
Compression 9.7 to 1
Head Type stock 360 J 1.88 int./1.60 ex.
Flow # n/a
Cam Type HYD.
Specs 508 lift 292 dur. Mopar
Installed at 108
Intake Manifold Edlebrock TM5
Exaust 1 5/8 headers 3x18 collectors
Carb type Holley DP
Size 750
Jetting 80 pri 82 sec
Base timing 15 deg
Total timing 35 deg
Power adder none
Trans type 727 reverse patern man. valve body
Gear ratios stock
Converter Coan 10 inch 3500.
Rear end ratio 3.91 8 3/4
Tire size 28x10
Vehecle weight 3350 with driver
Horsepower aprox. 375 at rear wheels
Torque na
E.T 1.63 60FT. 12.04 1/4 MILE
MPH. 112
This car is completely street legal and is street driven regularly.
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Re: How 'bout: Combo/tune database?
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Type: RB block
Displacement: 446" (440+.030)
Compression ratio: 10.7:1
Head type: Edelbrock 300cfm intake, 225cfm exhaust (no tube)
Cam type: Solid flat tappet
Specs: 294@.008, 262@.050 .585 lift 108 LSA
Installed at: 103.5
Intake manifold: Edelbrock TM-7 w/2" CSI tapered 4-hole.
Exhaust: 2" primary 3.5" collector, X-pipe exhaust.
Carb type: RaceDemon 825
Size: 825
Jetting: 80 front 90 rear
Base timing: 30 degrees BTDC
Total timing: 40 degrees BTDC @ 1200
Power adder: Size 13 shoe
Type: NA
Blower impeller speed: NA
Nitrous jet combo: NA
Amount of positive manifold pressure/nitrous hit:
Intercooler: NA
Timing pulled if any: NA
Trans type: 727 auto
Torque Converter size: 9.5"
Stall behind your motor: 4700
Gear ratios: stock
Rearend ratio: 4.30
Tire size: 28"
Vehicle weight: 3625
Horsepower (if dyno'd, specify FWHP or WHP):
Torque (as above):
E.T. (specify 1/8th, 1/4): 10.79 1/4 mile
MPH (as above): 124mph
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