Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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What cam are you running?
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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Without know any more specs for the cam and converter, it's a little on the weak side for a 408. (about 395 HP) It might be in there already with some sharp tuning but, the heads, more than likely, have the HP corked up. Good tire/gear selection. What are the rest of your cam specs and CR?
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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INTAKE: Duration: 304º Lift: .545 EXHAUST: Duration: 310º Lift: .558 lupo 9.5 4200 stall convert The motor was orig built for the 12s so I know the cam is weak.I talked to lupo about going to an 8in he said I may p/u a 10th but he thought is wasnt worth it.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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I would change the cam loosen the conv. to 5,400 and put 4.30 or 4.56 in it.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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Since it's 11.4:1 CR. I'd use a cam like 262º/266º @ .050, 108º LSA, installed +4º .590"+ lift. Open up the heads/valve job A little more stall wouldn't hurt but, not necessary. I'd keep the 28"tire/4.10 gear......especially w/TTI (1 5/8"?) With bigger headers, open exhaust probably 10.70-10.80
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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I also don't think putting the Indy heads on with that cam, headers, carb, stall and compression would do just a whole lot for you in terms of e.t.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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IMHO you have a couple issues, smallish carb and small headers and the 60' seems a little slow. At you're weight it should be in the 6s in the 1/8 now. My old hydraulic cammed, pump gas 340 went mid 7.20s with a best 1.533 60', it normally went 1.55-1.57. 69 Dart, 3300#, 9.5" 4400 converter with 4.30 gears. If you're chassis was sorted out you'd be there now .
He'd have to be a real chassis whiz to hit 10s @ 117.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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Sorry I have the reg tti for the eddies and the 1-7/8 for indys INTAKE
Opens: 21.0 BTDC Closes: 49.0 ABDC
EXHAUST
Opens: 59.0 BBDC Closes: 15.0 ATDC
LOBE SEPERATION
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Duration at .050"
Intake: 250 Exhaust: 254
LOBE LIFT
Intake: .363 Exhaust: .372
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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I think, as others have mentioned, a cam swap might be in order, among other things. Everything has to be right and matched to get them to run how they are capable of. My old 416 combo was a 260/266 flat tappet, 560/580 lift that i ran 1.6 rockers on(made it 598/623)it was on a 108, in at 104. Weiand excellerator, mildly ported eddies(maxed at 274 at 600 lift) TTI 1 5/8 step to 1 3/4 headers 8 inch convertor that flashed about 4900-5000, 28 inch tire with 4.30 gears(they were too steep, would have liked 4.10 like you have better)had a 1025 race demon, that was a great carb for that combo, this all was in a 3400+ pound car with full interor and bench seat, column shift at 11.8 compression. car went 10.74 at 123.70, through the mufflers so at 3150 pounds, it should be extremely easy to get in the 10's with a combo similar to the above, even if the heads are just mildly cleaned up. The above all said, there is no way i would lean on the combo you have with those eagle I beam rods amd that cast crank for any extended period of time and not expect you arent going to drive over the bottom end at some point in the very near future. So, i would step up the cam to something with 600 corrected lift and 260 ish on the intake, consider going to a 950 ish carb and perhaps more convertor, after you fortify the bottom end to handle the expected power you are going to have on tap..... I took that bottom end on my 416 above( h beams and cast crank and threw w5's on it) and changed nothing except headers and intake and went 10.30's with that swap,and proceeded to drive over the crank and ruin the shortblock, so your indy's should net you a similar gain if you have everything corect with the eddies you are currenty using and make that swap. Strokers like cam and carb, you are lacking on both currently, as well as having a solid shortblock foundation to build from.I might leave it as is until you get a good shortblock under it. Good luck
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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SIR” I-Beam Connecting Rods
Eagle “SIR” connecting rods are forged from 5140 steel and utilize ARP 3/8” capscrew-style bolts with alignment sleeves for easier assembly. Packaged in weight-matched sets (+/- 2g). Sizing is performed by in-house CNC equipment. “SIR” rods are the perfect choice for engines UP TO 500 HP.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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SIR” I-Beam Connecting Rods
Eagle “SIR” connecting rods are forged from 5140 steel and utilize ARP 3/8” capscrew-style bolts with alignment sleeves for easier assembly. Packaged in weight-matched sets (+/- 2g). Sizing is performed by in-house CNC equipment. “SIR” rods are the perfect choice for engines UP TO 500 HP.
I ran a set for 125 passes and was glad they made it through the season. It's not worth the risk for me to test their longevity.
I was glad to sell them for $50
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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I have some SIR rods in the motor I built for my Mom's Duster. This was before I heard all the horror stories. That motor doesn't make all that much power since I was told by her that she didn't want it to be to fast that she had to wear a fire jacket or put a roll bar in the car. Was shooting for 7.70's in the 1/8th and wound up with a [Email]7.39@91[/Email] so far in great air. She only turns it to 5500rpm and motor has been together for two seasons now. I wish I had put the Scat's in it, shoot I wish I had known about the Scat's beforehand.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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Mine obviously lived for the time I used them. I guess it's possible the broken SIRs I've seen were just bad heat lot flukes but, I took them out at the end of the year.........after seeing several posts on the subject. I ran Ross 99626 domes (567 grams) 7400 RPM every shift and the occasional 8000 limiter burnout.........so they can't be complete junk. Just didn't care to test what others had already found out. Personally, I'd never use them again.......even in somebody else's engine.
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Re: QUEST FOR TENS
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I rather not chance it .If the motor is still running I can get some $$ for parts .This is the new block.
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