Re: Help
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07/09/08 02:42 PM
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...I am still a little unsure the best way to sand primer in prep for first coat paint? literally.
An old body shop trick is to use two contrasting colors, like a very thin coat of black over the gray primer, as a guide coat for sanding.
This stuff looks interesting for guide coat application. Has anyone tried it?
3M dry powder guide coat
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Re: Help
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07/11/08 03:57 PM
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I feel really bothered by the amount of time I have spent on this project, granted all of it was an 1 or 2 hours time slots but a far number of half days.
Here's the deal. and there really is no way around it no matter how you apply the paint:
Prep is the same. The time it took to make the body smooth is essential to make the car look good whether it is sprayed or rolled.
There was a fellow who used a wagner power painter with excellent results, but there was a caveat about capacity or flow rate, I can't remember which right now. Bottom line was that the $29 cheapies were not the best choice.
The best things I have picked up from this thread is that
1. you don't need special expensive two-part "automotive" paint to get a good durable finish.
2. Fancy paint, special booths, and skilled painters cannot hide poor prep work.
So, the investment you made in time to prep is not lost, just unrealized. Banked, if you will. Seal it up with whatever you have time for, its ok.
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Re: Help
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07/12/08 11:35 AM
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Mike are you the one with that beutiful Corvar that was rusto rollered?
No, not me. I have done the process on some test panels and even put a wicked black finish on a home built HTPC, but have not had either the block of time, or the garage space for an incremental marathon session, to start on my car yet.
Its just as well because I can't decide whether to go with the original green or switch to black.
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I plan on painting (trying to )the bumper trim trust me it was in sad shape and integral to the top plastic filler for the bumper. The original black was chalky white and the quarter round at the top that use to be so called chrome with clear plastic over it was flaked out chrome with yellow to brown plastic covering it.
That clear plastic covered chrome is trouble. If the plastic covering is not solid it all has to go. Back to that prep work - a clean, smooth, and solid base for your paint is essential. If the black part is chalky, make doubly sure the surface is stable and not embedded with old waxes or other contaminates.
Let us know how it comes out.
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Re: Help
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07/13/08 10:03 PM
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A short story on the process...
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Our weekend community paper had a salute to classic cars, which was pretty cool. However, one of the stories involved using Rustoleum to paint. It also referenced the original thread here on Moparts.com., and has a neat before and after shot. Here's a link to the story: http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=298959
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Re: A short story on the process...
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07/19/08 11:35 PM
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ok...me and a couple guys bought a 76 chev g20 van, already did most bondo work, and prepping. Were planning on painting it a flat black with gold trim, wheels with chrome bumpers, and beauty rings. Wondering about a few points... a) what is the thinning procedure for 1 gallon of tremclad flat black paint? How much mineral spirits do i have to mix in? b)What do i all have to buy? c)What is the difference between roll-on vs. spray on? (air comp, gun and location already taken care of)
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Re: A short story on the process...
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do you think you could mix in a pearl with this? http://paintwithpearl.com/??? that would be awesome.
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Hi all! New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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wow...4 days of educational and often times entertaining reading... found this thread from an article in hot rod magazine. i've read every post and feel like i know many of you already. ive got an '81 ford f-150...when i pulled it out of the field it was in it had dodge rims so i hope that counts...lol anyway..ive been in the house painting business for years and know a thing or two about oil based paints. ive painted many surfaces, structures, and vehicles over the years, but never thought to roll my truck. i already had figured i'd use rustoleum or something similar but intended to spray it. what i hate about spraying oil based paints is how the overspray rolls and gums up the surface...ive painted cars in the past by hand but always rolled the paint on then back brushed it. so as i read all of your trials, experiments, insights, and successes i began prepping my truck for paint. i descided to pretty much take 69 chargers method. i like penetrol and jap drier but opted out. also being that i was going red i was worried about coverage so i ended up using ace rust stop tractor paint....international harvester red..it covers better and if its good enough for a tractor its good enough for me. here are a few shots...just put the first coat on today. relatively large amount of orange peel....roughly 20% spirits, but wanted a good base coat. i dont mind sanding either. ill be moving to thinner coats as more get applied. i did use the foam roller which worked okay, however the roller itself is a cause for bubbles...all my bubbles did disapear though. i will be switching to a velour roller. ive used them for years painting elevator doors, cabinets, and other furniture items that were not practical to spray. thanks again to you all for the inspiration and advise. i look forward to meeting you all. coat1
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Re: A short story on the process...
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07/27/08 09:13 AM
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From personal experience, I can tell ya that the guys at Paint With Pearl are great and this is one customer that will continue going back to them. I would never recommend Top Secret Coatings however. There is a problem with roller painting pearl and flakes. But there is an easy way around it should you want a two stage--or even one stage--paint with rollers and a little extra. I'd follow all of the instructions found here and get down to a final glass like surface. Not polished of course. Then I'd use a rechargeable rattle can and fill the clear coat with pearl and/or metal flake and add the pearl coats on with that method. http://www.eastwoodco.com/shopping/produ...ProductID=14355They're not that expensive, and they're reusable. Or if you're patient, buy a very inexpensive air brush set from ACE, cheapest I could find, and try that. But the rattle can from Eastwood would make more sense. I'm in the same situation as most of you, trying to find the cheapest way to work on our cars and city codes and ordinances keep me from spray painting the car with anything other than rattle cans. The roller method fills a need and does it well. If you want just a metal flake, then try hand casting the flakes over a wet coat like they did back in the day when the flakes were larger and would clog the spray nozzles. Hand casting a micro flake from Paint With Pearl is pretty easy since it is such a small flake, you don't have to worry about knock down sanding since it settles into the paint rather well. I know that this works, I tested the process on a Sattelite Hood and it came out looking good. Black base, emerald green flake. (no, I don't have pictures, it's been over a year since I did this and I don't have the hood anymore.) There's always a way around a problem and if you're jonesin' for a Pearl coat, I'd recommend trying this.
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Re: Hi all! New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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Your truck is looking nice!
A fellow ZX2 owner also I see.
Freedom Of Speed!
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Re: Hi all! New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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08/01/08 05:35 PM
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wow...4 days of educational and often times entertaining reading...
found this thread from an article in hot rod magazine. i've read every post and feel like i know many of you already.
ive got an '81 ford f-150...when i pulled it out of the field it was in it had dodge rims so i hope that counts...lol
anyway..ive been in the house painting business for years and know a thing or two about oil based paints. ive painted many surfaces, structures, and vehicles over the years, but never thought to roll my truck. i already had figured i'd use rustoleum or something similar but intended to spray it. what i hate about spraying oil based paints is how the overspray rolls and gums up the surface...ive painted cars in the past by hand but always rolled the paint on then back brushed it. so as i read all of your trials, experiments, insights, and successes i began prepping my truck for paint. i descided to pretty much take 69 chargers method. i like penetrol and jap drier but opted out. also being that i was going red i was worried about coverage so i ended up using ace rust stop tractor paint....international harvester red..it covers better and if its good enough for a tractor its good enough for me.
here are a few shots...just put the first coat on today. relatively large amount of orange peel....roughly 20% spirits, but wanted a good base coat. i dont mind sanding either. ill be moving to thinner coats as more get applied.
i did use the foam roller which worked okay, however the roller itself is a cause for bubbles...all my bubbles did disapear though. i will be switching to a velour roller. ive used them for years painting elevator doors, cabinets, and other furniture items that were not practical to spray. thanks again to you all for the inspiration and advise. i look forward to meeting you all.
Welcome! But that's some pretty brutal orange peel. If that's coat #1 I'd say you are putting it on way too thick. I'd sand the crap out of it, (and you'll probably end up sanding a lot of it off, back down to the original paint) and give it another try.
With full respect given to your experience in house painting, I'd advise against using a velour roller. You'll end up with WAY too thick of a coat. And you'll never fill in all the orange peel by adding new (and or thick) coats.
FYI - this is coat #1 - black over red:
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Re: Hi all! New Paint job on a budget thread Part III
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