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CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. #380292 07/19/09 06:13 PM 07/19/09 06:13 PM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 767 NW PA V10nacuda OP super stock
V10nacuda OP super stock Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 767 NW PA	I heard this story is it possible. The tree has flat black blinders so the guys can't see each others lights. Some ingenius racer puts up gloss black shield on the other side of the bulb (each lane) to see the reflection of the bulb that the flat black blinder tries to separate. So the ingenious racer is leaving off the other guys bulb (via reflection) when rules say you cant leave off the other guy's bulb????? Is this an advantage.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: V10nacuda] #380293 07/19/09 06:18 PM 07/19/09 06:18 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,177 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,177 Park Forest, IL	Since most tracks use Crosstalk the blinders are irrelevant. However, no matter what color the blinder is you're still only seeing the backside of it from the other lane. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: slantzilla] #380294 07/19/09 06:46 PM 07/19/09 06:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas 70AARcuda master
70AARcuda master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,826 las vegas	i was leaving off the other guys bulb 20 yrs ago... yes..with crosstalk now..it does not matter...or at least in vegas it not matter. Tony 70 AARCuda Vitamin C 71 Dart Swinger 360 10.318 @ 128.22(10-04-14 Bakersfield) 71 Demon 360 10.666 @122.41 (01-29-17 @ Las Vegas) 71 Duster 408 (10.29 @ 127.86 3/16/19 Las Vegas)

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: 70AARcuda] #380295 07/19/09 07:45 PM 07/19/09 07:45 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,177 Park Forest, IL slantzilla Too Many Posts
slantzilla Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,177 Park Forest, IL	That's the other thing, leaving off the other guys bulb is legal. "Everybody funny, now you funny too."

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: slantzilla] #380296 07/20/09 12:36 AM 07/20/09 12:36 AM
Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky 68roadrunner super stock
68roadrunner super stock Joined: Jun 2009 Posts: 877 ky	i have seen a suspicious act at a track where this 1 person won alot. his wife would stand on the wall and point the camcorder directly at the tree. not at the car or tires as is normal. at the tree. is this some light sensor, leave on remote, or trying to stir the pot?

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: 68roadrunner] #380297 07/20/09 12:51 AM 07/20/09 12:51 AM
Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 977 Poulsbo, WA ChrisJohnston669 super stock
ChrisJohnston669 super stock Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 977 Poulsbo, WA	haha. heard lots of stories like this.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: ChrisJohnston669] #380298 07/20/09 01:16 AM 07/20/09 01:16 AM
Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,165 Central Ohio, USA Bigbeep super stock
Bigbeep super stock Joined: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,165 Central Ohio, USA	You guys are reading too much into this. Race yourself and try for that perfect or as near perfect package as you can get. If you do everything right, your opponent must do it also. My older brother used to tell me he will dial what ever I dial and put a fender on me. (his car is roughy .8 quicker) I said go for it. I will just put the perfect package together and you will breakout to take the stripe. Just my way of giving it back to him. Although the last time he said this to me I won that night (my first win) and made it down to 5 cars 3 days later. I don't recall him saying that lately. I'm sure he will though.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: 68roadrunner] #380299 07/20/09 04:44 PM 07/20/09 04:44 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,173 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,173 Bend,OR USA	Quote: i have seen a suspicious act at a track where this 1 person won alot. his wife would stand on the wall and point the camcorder directly at the tree. not at the car or tires as is normal. at the tree. is this some light sensor, leave on remote, or trying to stir the pot? Maybe they where counting the frames on the video from when his light came on until his car moved and then looked at the time slip to see what his reaction where , been there done that, lots of ways to learn from all the technologys available to us Last edited by Cab_Burge; 07/21/09 01:22 AM. Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Cab_Burge] #380300 07/20/09 09:18 PM 07/20/09 09:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,413 Newark,Ohio kissmyaspen pro stock
kissmyaspen pro stock Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,413 Newark,Ohio	cough cough dirty dozen 79 Dodge Aspen 12.265 at 109.75 MPH 67 Satellite NSS/E 11.83 @ 110 1968 Plymouth Road Runner 472 Hemi 3 time MOPAR NATIONALS CHAMP '03 FWD and '06 & '09 Street. '07, '10, '12 Mopar Nats runner-up Street.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: kissmyaspen] #380301 07/20/09 09:22 PM 07/20/09 09:22 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,296 NE Ohio DoubleD top fuel
DoubleD top fuel Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,296 NE Ohio	Quote: cough cough dirty dozen Don't even get me started!!! Yes it is possible and for a couple of grand I can outfit you with a nice "better than a mattie box digital system"! but that would be cheating!

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: DoubleD] #380302 07/21/09 01:29 AM 07/21/09 01:29 AM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,173 Bend,OR USA C Cab_Burge I Win
Cab_Burge I Win C Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 43,173 Bend,OR USA	Quote: Quote: cough cough dirty dozen Don't even get me started!!! Yes it is possible and for a couple of grand I can outfit you with a nice "better than a mattie box digital system"! but that would be cheating! For every sprot on earth that people compete in there are those that push the envelope of the rules and there are those that will say the other guy was cheating when they get beat, they will say there is know way that person, team or ? could beat them. If you listen to them long enough they will have all kinds of ways to explain why they belive that In some cases they are wrong and in others they are correct on the cheating, I have seen more than one NHRA competitior break the rules and get away with it Politics, freindship and money play in a lot of decision making in competive sports, ask any dog, cat, car or horse owner who competes in shows Mr.Cab Racing and winning with Mopars since 1964. (Old F--t, Huh)

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: Cab_Burge] #380303 07/21/09 02:39 AM 07/21/09 02:39 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	Is there anything to a rumor I heard that some people have a "ray gun" that will jam-up the other guy's "box" ?

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: dOrk !] #380304 07/21/09 02:46 AM 07/21/09 02:46 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa T topfueldart master
topfueldart master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa	Quote: Is there anything to a rumor I heard that some people have a "ray gun" that will jam-up the other guy's "box" ? How could a "ray gun" do anything at all? All a box does is delay the release of the transbrake a certain amount of time from when you actually release the button. They have no optical or infrared sensors. Im not an electronics expert but im pretty sure you'd need something serious to kill the electrical in the car, and that would kill everything in a certain range, probably including your own car... 11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost. 9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: topfueldart] #380305 07/21/09 03:45 AM 07/21/09 03:45 AM
Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot
dOrk ! The village idiot's idiot Joined: Jul 2008 Posts: 30,424 Florida STAYcation	I don't consider a trans-brake "box racing" ...and I don't think that that is what the rumor was all about. It was like on delay boxes, throttle stops and/or stutter boxes. Myself ? ... I am a no-box foot-brake guy.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: dOrk !] #380306 07/21/09 04:51 AM 07/21/09 04:51 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa T topfueldart master
topfueldart master T Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,697 Renton Wa	A delay "box" is just that. It delays the release of the transbrake. Transbrakes aren't considered an electronic item, only the box is. A throttle stop is a pneumatic device actuating the throttle. They dont "need" a box to work, they could simply use a time based MSD switch. I guess im just ignorant as to how an infrared "gun" could affect either. 11.48 @ 120 with a 1.80 60' 318, stock 1.88 heads, stock 904, Pump Gas, 13 lbs of boost. 9.94 @ 134, 318 on pump gas, 14 lbs w/ Eddies, transbrake 727, 3600 lbs, 3.54 gear and 28's.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: topfueldart] #380307 07/21/09 08:50 AM 07/21/09 08:50 AM
Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 529 Rowlett, TX 7 74DusterP457 mopar addict
74DusterP457 mopar addict 7 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 529 Rowlett, TX	I beg to differ. It depends on the track as to whether or not they allow a trans brake in NO-E or not. Most (if not all) of the tracks in this area (Dallas) do not allow it. This is for two reasons; 1) You are leaving off a button (that may be adjustable even) and not the foot and they view the button as an electrical device. The hand will always be quicker and more consistant than the foot. A transbrake is a controlled mechanical release mechanism. The Foot Brake is hydraulic, hence it can never be as consistant as a tranny brake. The other reason is that its not hard to hide or disguise a delay box. Better to remove the opportunity to cheat I guess. There are a few foot brake racers who can compete in Super-Pro with their foot brake car, but most of us aren't robots. Finally, as far as having an external device that can impact a competitor's delat box goes - I will go on record as saying its not possible. That story is an old wive's tale. The only thing that would screw up the other guy's box is an EMP from a nuclear weapon.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: V10nacuda] #380308 07/21/09 09:00 AM 07/21/09 09:00 AM
Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,110 toledo, ohio plasticfantastic top fuel
plasticfantastic top fuel Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,110 toledo, ohio	Quote: Some ingenius racer puts up gloss black shield on the other side of the bulb (each lane) to see the reflection of the bulb that the flat black blinder tries to separate. So the ingenious racer is leaving off the other guys bulb (via reflection) when rules say you cant leave off the other guy's bulb????? Is this an advantage. how did this racer get the opportunity to go up and mess around with the tracks tree by putting up a gloss black shield? I'm like a super hero, with no powers or motivation.

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: topfueldart] #380309 07/21/09 09:17 AM 07/21/09 09:17 AM
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S. M moparniac master
moparniac master M Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 6,295 U.S.	Quote: Quote: Is there anything to a rumor I heard that some people have a "ray gun" that will jam-up the other guy's "box" ? How could a "ray gun" do anything at all? All a box does is delay the release of the transbrake a certain amount of time from when you actually release the button. They have no optical or infrared sensors. Im not an electronics expert but im pretty sure you'd need something serious to kill the electrical in the car, and that would kill everything in a certain range, probably including your own car... you need a "PINCH" like in oceans elevan! Mopar Performance

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: plasticfantastic] #380310 07/21/09 10:39 AM 07/21/09 10:39 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi Evil Spirit master
Evil Spirit master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi	how did this racer get the opportunity to go up and mess around with the tracks tree by putting up a gloss black shield? Probably worked there, or was a track favorite. Track would have to be in on it, or not very bright not to notice the added panels. Free advice and worth every penny... Factory trained Slinky rewinder.........

Re: CHEATING AT BOX RACING is it possible. [Re: 68roadrunner] #380311 07/21/09 10:47 AM 07/21/09 10:47 AM
Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi Evil Spirit master
Evil Spirit master Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,699 Newport, Mi	Quote: i have seen a suspicious act at a track where this 1 person won alot. his wife would stand on the wall and point the camcorder directly at the tree. not at the car or tires as is normal. at the tree. is this some light sensor, leave on remote, or trying to stir the pot? Using a cheap remote start box, a car could be wired to leave remotely from the starting line, stands, etc. Toss in an optical sensor, light trigger, or a similar piece and it's entirely possible to make a unit that when pointed at the tree, would see the top bulb and remotely activate the delay box. Free advice and worth every penny... Factory trained Slinky rewinder.........

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