|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: Challenger 1]
#357500
07/14/09 10:54 AM
07/14/09 10:54 AM
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,337
the house on the left.
cogen80
master
|
master
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 5,337
the house on the left.
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Not a problem? OK, if you say so. It's not unusual to see these Lokar installations have light throttle 1-2 shifts at 25+ mph and 2-3 at 40+ mph or even higher and, possibly, no 2-3 upshift at all. If that's OK with you then, "no problem". If the cable is adjusted for correct light throttle shift points there is insufficient TP at WOT and no forced downshifts. Potential damage.
man i don't know what you are doing or whoever is installing lokar set ups that are having those problems are doing but i have been using lokar kick downs since the early to mid 90's, installed them on all my cars and numerous friends car and have never run into a problem like you describe. sounds like total idiots installed the ones your talking about. some people just should not wrench on their cars. the kick down sure isn't rocker science.
Throttle pressure, not a kick down!!!  Right John? 
I bet alot of manuel valve bodies have been sold over the years because of the confusion over TP on TF. 
call it what you want. its a kickdown cable or kickdown linkage to most people. 
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: JohnRR]
#357501
07/14/09 10:57 AM
07/14/09 10:57 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,186
Wherever I am.
Junky
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,186
Wherever I am.
|
Quote:
Junky WOT throttle shifts are controlled by the govenor weights in the back of the trans , but you give a perfect example of what J. Kunkel is talking about, people think it's working fine when it's really not, it won't fry the trans overnight.
Can you please point out where my setup is not working fine? So I get the explanation of WOT shifts incorrect and now I'm incompetent? And the Lokar kit isn't working correctly? There is nothing about my setup that suggests that it's not working properly. This is not based on what I THINK, it's based on my experience of the situation. Have you worked on or driven my Coronet? Perfect example, my foot. Enough said.
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: cogen80]
#357502
07/14/09 11:12 AM
07/14/09 11:12 AM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
|
call it what you want. its a kickdown cable or kickdown linkage to most people.
I was just kidding you... 
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: 73swinger]
#357504
07/14/09 11:15 AM
07/14/09 11:15 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,976
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,976
U.S.S.A.
|
Quote:
Quote:
So, as I've repeatedly ranted, the Lokar works OK if the installer knows to match the total travel of the cable attach points and installs a spring.
The Bouchillon kit contains the trans lever so there's no mismatch in travel and it uses a more robust, easily located cable.
I think this is the main thing Lokar buyers should be aware of. My first observation of the Lokar kit was the horrible directions. I installed mine as per directions on a freshly rebuilt 727 & thought it was right, 2 years & the tranny was toast. Then I learned more about throttle position importance, had the trans. rebuilt again, and again used the Lokar cable, WITH MODIFIED MOUNT POSITION ON TRANS. KICK DOWN LEVER. Its working fine so far, but I keep a close eye on adjustment. I bought it, I'm using it, but I would not buy another one. Bouchillion or a manual valve body next time.
You give a perfect example of what J. Kunkel is talking about, people think it's working fine when it's really not, it won't fry the trans overnight.
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: JohnRR]
#357505
07/14/09 11:22 AM
07/14/09 11:22 AM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,186
Wherever I am.
Junky
master
|
master
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 5,186
Wherever I am.
|
Quote:
Quote:
Can you please point out where my setup is not working fine? So I get the explanation of WOT shifts incorrect and now I'm incompetent? And the Lokar kit isn't working correctly? There is nothing about my setup that suggests that it's not working properly. This is not based on what I THINK, it's based on my experience of the situation. Have you worked on or driven my Coronet? Perfect example, my foot. Enough said.
My bad and I will edit, I confused your post with another poster that SAID HE FRYED his trans with a LOAKR he THOUGHT was working properly .
I was trying to consolidate replies , silly me ...
Thank you, sir, for the correction to your comments and for informing me of the workings of the WOT shift points.
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: 68HemiB]
#357507
07/14/09 12:02 PM
07/14/09 12:02 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
dummy 101 here
LBAMVB is the the correct way to loose the tpcl
or swap in a 4 speed 
Let's Buy A Manual Valve Body is the correct way to lose the throttle pressure control linkage.
Or something close.
Ahhh, thank you.
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: 68HemiB]
#357508
07/14/09 01:57 PM
07/14/09 01:57 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,976
U.S.S.A.
JohnRR
I Win
|
I Win
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 74,976
U.S.S.A.
|
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
dummy 101 here
LBAMVB is the the correct way to loose the tpcl
or swap in a 4 speed
Let's Buy A Manual Valve Body is the correct way to lose the throttle pressure control linkage.
Or something close.
Low Band Apply Manual Valve Body
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: KAHUDA]
#357509
07/14/09 02:06 PM
07/14/09 02:06 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,562
Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
Not enough dumb comments...yet
|
Not enough dumb comments...yet
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,562
Brookeville, Md
|
Quote:
OK all you Lokar guys, I just received mine and I'm in the middle of installing it. I could really use some advice, tips, step-by-step detailed instructions on how to get it adjusted so it works properly. In case it matters, it's on a '70 Cuda, 440-6, 727.
THANKS!!
IT WILL NOT WORK ON A 6-Pack... return it and get a Man valve body or eat $350 and get the correct KICK-DOWN or whatever you want to call it.
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: JohnRR]
#357511
07/14/09 02:59 PM
07/14/09 02:59 PM
|
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 15,487
Florida
scratchnfotraction
I Live Here
|
I Live Here
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 15,487
Florida
|
yes,Johnahah is correct low band apply manual valve body lets buy a manual valve body was a good try though  IMO the bouchillon looks like its all from a 93 Dak...my 93 Dak has every thing but the lever that goes on the carb for the right ratio rplacement cable from the dealer fits it,and the lever on the tranz is the same as far as I can tell seems they worked it out at ma mopar and bouchillon just went a little further adapting it to the carb  I have burnt up more trannys than I care to admit,and its all because I have not got the right throttle pressure control linkage and its close to right but not right... so to loose it,get the LBAMVB or a 4 speed
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: Mr.Yuck]
#357512
07/14/09 03:17 PM
07/14/09 03:17 PM
|
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
Challenger 1
Too Many Posts
|
Too Many Posts
Joined: Feb 2005
Posts: 28,312
Cincinnati, Ohio
|
Quote:
See this piece??? your 6-pack 'aint got one. SOOOO you will have to fabricate one. I looked around an nobody seems to have one or know what I'm talking about. I had a Lokar, I fumbled with it and it's terrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiible instructions for 20 minutes before I but it back in the box.
I guess you didn't look at my picture above.Didn't cost me anything, because I had it laying around.
|
|
|
Re: Help with Lokar Kickdown Cable
[Re: Challenger 1]
#357514
07/14/09 04:48 PM
07/14/09 04:48 PM
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,562
Brookeville, Md
Mr.Yuck
Not enough dumb comments...yet
|
Not enough dumb comments...yet
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 24,562
Brookeville, Md
|
Quote:
Quote:
See this piece??? your 6-pack 'aint got one. SOOOO you will have to fabricate one. I looked around an nobody seems to have one or know what I'm talking about. I had a Lokar, I fumbled with it and it's terrrrrrrrrrrrriiiiiiible instructions for 20 minutes before I but it back in the box.
I guess you didn't look at my picture above.Didn't cost me anything, because I had it laying around.
No I didn't some pic's don't open at work..anyway what is that from? how long did it take to rig up? I just got a new man valve body form a buddy... it will be going in sooooon. Then I can drop kick all this junk.
|
|
|
|
|
