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Cool find A12 Documents #33779 12/31/06 09:57 AM 12/31/06 09:57 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC S skidder865 OP member
skidder865 OP member S Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC	As some of you know I just purchased an A12 from the sister of the original owner. Yesterday she called me and said she found some parts and asked me to come get them if I wanted. I picked up the part which was a nice conditon tail panel,carb kit, brake shoes,and steering rod and coupler. I asked if I could look around the garage for the card linkage which I don't have yet. I found a box with some paper work in it so she said I could go through it. This is were the fun starts, I found the original window sticker for the car in excellent conditon, I found the original sales contract for the car. The brother put down $618.00 and made $105.00 month payments. I found the warranty book for the 440 and the original build sheet was attached to the book. Also My car has a replacement block because of some over reviving back in the day. I found the Dodge work order were the block was replaced under warranty. There were also some other papers such as state inspection receipts,repair receipts, and car insurance paper work. I felt like a kid on a treasure hunt. cool day

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33780 12/31/06 11:02 AM 12/31/06 11:02 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,427 PA P PLATINUM6BBL master
PLATINUM6BBL master P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,427 PA	Great find Wouldn't want to post a pic of the window sticker would you? BTW - did you get pics from Ed of the intake?

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: PLATINUM6BBL] #33781 12/31/06 11:56 AM 12/31/06 11:56 AM
Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,843 Maryland O OriginalRT top fuel
OriginalRT top fuel O Joined: Sep 2005 Posts: 1,843 Maryland	Great find!!! That must have made your day, huh? Definitely post a pic of that window sticker

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: OriginalRT] #33782 12/31/06 05:23 PM 12/31/06 05:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC S skidder865 OP member
skidder865 OP member S Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC	Lon, I will get my wife to show me how to use her scanner and post a pic.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33783 12/31/06 05:53 PM 12/31/06 05:53 PM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 610 new york B badsixpack mopar
badsixpack mopar B Joined: May 2005 Posts: 610 new york	gary, would love to see the stuff you found.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: badsixpack] #33784 12/31/06 06:01 PM 12/31/06 06:01 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC S skidder865 OP member
skidder865 OP member S Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC	My Wife came home from shopping( who would have guessed) and scanned the window sticker for me. It should be attached. The document has a small crease in the middle I need to figure out how to flatten the paper.Alot of the receipts are folded so I will also need to flatten them out as well. 3176289-WindowstickerSuperBee.jpg (820 downloads) Last edited by skidder865; 12/31/06 06:06 PM.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33785 12/31/06 06:12 PM 12/31/06 06:12 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,301 colorado A a12superbee master
a12superbee master A Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 6,301 colorado	Cool. I can't afford this. mark

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: a12superbee] #33786 12/31/06 06:41 PM 12/31/06 06:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana D Dave Watt master
Dave Watt master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana	skidder, thanks for sharing the window sticker with us. It is pretty rare to have such good documentation with these cars, congratulations. Dave

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33787 01/01/07 02:18 AM 01/01/07 02:18 AM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA RoadRunnerJD master
RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	I wonder what Y21 Special Headers and tag instructions are?? I've never seen that! Anyone else have that on their BS? Any Plymouths? It looks special!?

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33788 01/01/07 04:22 AM 01/01/07 04:22 AM
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Anonymous Unregistered A	Skidder: Great find on the documents. I look forward to meeting you when I move to South Carolina. Happy New Year. Harry

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33789 01/01/07 05:25 AM 01/01/07 05:25 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA RapidRunner master
RapidRunner master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA	Gary, Great find Got any dates off the documentation that can help estimate the build the time frame of your car? MikeE Who knows? The Shadow Knows! But he ain't on this fraking forum! "This restoration is a test,, It is ONLY a test, Had this been an actual Restoration I would have received instructions on what to do and where to get the MONEY!" -------------------------------

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33790 01/01/07 09:55 AM 01/01/07 09:55 AM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC S skidder865 OP member
skidder865 OP member S Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC	Quote: Gary, Great find Got any dates off the documentation that can help estimate the build the time frame of your car? MikeE Thanks Guys for all the kind words. I thought the build date was on the fender tag, Mine has 4/26 for the build date. Coop I checked the gas filler opening and I see what you mean it is oval. Happy New years to all. Don

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33791 01/01/07 10:15 AM 01/01/07 10:15 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,427 PA P PLATINUM6BBL master
PLATINUM6BBL master P Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 3,427 PA	all the second batch cars had the 4/26 SPD, even if it was the last one built in July! My SPD is 4/26 but actual build date was around 5/31.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33792 01/01/07 01:04 PM 01/01/07 01:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,941 South Jersey 6 6packattack top fuel
6packattack top fuel 6 Joined: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,941 South Jersey	Thats great! Funny thing is, last thursday night I had a dream that I was looking throught the trunk and back seat of my ole A12 car that I sold to Rick back in September and found a buildsheet and a white piece of paper with information on it hehe...Thats an awesome find I miss my A12 car. I am keeping an eye out for another

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33793 01/01/07 03:02 PM 01/01/07 03:02 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA RoadRunnerJD master
RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	Aren't you curious about what is Y21? Someone on this forum ought to know? Dave? Is that the special limited warranty instructions or does it have anything to do with headers instead of exhaust manifolds? I have not seen it on a window sticker before and there is no Y21 blank on a broadcast sheet?

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33794 01/01/07 06:45 PM 01/01/07 06:45 PM
Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC S skidder865 OP member
skidder865 OP member S Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 141 SC	Quote: Aren't you curious about what is Y21? Someone on this forum ought to know? Dave? Is that the special limited warranty instructions or does it have anything to do with headers instead of exhaust manifolds? I have not seen it on a window sticker before and there is no Y21 blank on a broadcast sheet? RoadRunnerJD I am new to the Mopar Scene, Over time I am sure I will learn more about this car and others.This is the first Dodge window sticker I have ever seen so it's all greek to me. I have been involved in my 67 BB vette for the past couple years.I can quote GM things about my vette. I am very interested in learnig about this Car thats way I joined this forum. I am looking for all the help I can get with this car. Don

Re: Cool find A12 Documents DELETED [Re: skidder865] #33795 01/01/07 09:06 PM 01/01/07 09:06 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,519 Buffalo, NY U.S.A. MrNormsTA master
MrNormsTA master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,519 Buffalo, NY U.S.A.	Post deleted by MrNormsTA Last edited by MrNormsTA; 01/01/07 09:10 PM.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: MrNormsTA] #33796 01/01/07 09:08 PM 01/01/07 09:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808 AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here
AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Rick, can you please post a bigger pic as an attachment? 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: AZ_A12_BEE] #33797 01/01/07 09:23 PM 01/01/07 09:23 PM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,519 Buffalo, NY U.S.A. MrNormsTA master
MrNormsTA master Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 6,519 Buffalo, NY U.S.A.	Very cool. Good luck with it. I have never seen that code. Here is a pic of the window sticker of the one I just picked up. Motor EAD 6/13 Motor Casting 5/16 Door panel 5/18 Wiper motor 6/3 Having trouble downsizing to an attachment file without losing size of pic. Hope this isn't too big 700x600. Rick. 3179935-scan0001.jpg (236 downloads) Last edited by MrNormsTA; 01/04/07 01:08 AM.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: MrNormsTA] #33798 01/01/07 09:24 PM 01/01/07 09:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808 AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here
AZ_A12_BEE I Live Here Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 18,575 Dreaming of the 808	Rick, its too small to read 69.5 A12 Bee, first purchased in 1976, car 169 on registry 69 Coronet R/T 440/4 spd 69 Coronet 500 Conv H code 383 4bbl/auto 37 Plymouth PU Find your spot on earth and ride it.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #33799 01/01/07 09:30 PM 01/01/07 09:30 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA RoadRunnerJD master
RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	Apparently it has nothing to do with any options. It's just to make sure the dealer goes thru the correct paper work for selling the A12 special package.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33800 01/02/07 09:17 AM 01/02/07 09:17 AM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA RapidRunner master
RapidRunner master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA	John, This Y21 thing has come up in the past. I cannot find the thread on it, must have been more than a year ago. I don't recall it being decided back then either. I think the thread got nasty and was dismissed. Interesting seeing the Y21 in writiing and saying "HEADERS". Kinda sounds like the car came with headers instead of factory exhaust manifolds. MikeE Who knows? The Shadow Knows! But he ain't on this fraking forum! "This restoration is a test,, It is ONLY a test, Had this been an actual Restoration I would have received instructions on what to do and where to get the MONEY!" -------------------------------

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33801 01/02/07 09:41 AM 01/02/07 09:41 AM
Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana D Dave Watt master
Dave Watt master D Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 5,048 Atlanta Indiana	I was thinking the Y21 was on the tag of the Don Grotheer car.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: Dave Watt] #33802 01/02/07 11:06 AM 01/02/07 11:06 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,407 Brantford Ontario 69_SIX_PACK master
69_SIX_PACK master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,407 Brantford Ontario	Thats a good one Y21 I am guessing that it isn't factory installed headers and or headers in the trunk ala '69 Z/28's but rather some sort of special intructions or stickers that needed to be applied to the car. The series of Y options were used my Chrysler as codes for sold codes, just as the M series was used for mouldings. I am guessing if Mopar offered headers from the factory it would have been another A series of options or maybe a N series along with dual exhuast and chrome tips. Also notice there was no extra charge assigned...I don't think they would go to the extra trouble of installing custom exhuast on the assembly line and not make some extra $$$ for it. I think headers were available at the dealership level. As part of the Scat pack or Hustle Stuff program. These would not show up on the window sticker, but rather the selling dealer generated invoice. Also note that car was delivered without any fuel? Are those two codes related? [sarcasm] did it come with one of those 100 mpg special carbs that the oil companies efffectly took out of the marketplace[/sarcasm] Thanks for posting the window sticker! Where's Mike R when you need him Dave www.a12mopar.com

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: 69_SIX_PACK] #33803 01/02/07 11:16 AM 01/02/07 11:16 AM
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 610 new york B badsixpack mopar
badsixpack mopar B Joined: May 2005 Posts: 610 new york	don't know what y21 means,but y22 for years 69-71 means,corporate lease car- executive.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33804 01/02/07 02:19 PM 01/02/07 02:19 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA RapidRunner master
RapidRunner master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA	Quote: Aren't you curious about what is Y21? Someone on this forum ought to know? Dave? Is that the special limited warranty instructions or does it have anything to do with headers instead of exhaust manifolds? I have not seen it on a window sticker before and there is no Y21 blank on a broadcast sheet? Could the Y21 have showed up on the Broadcast sheet in the LEASE/SALES column were there are no predefined digits? Just comparing Gary's and Rick's stickers. 2 items stick out as maybe pertaining to the Y21. 1. Was it common that the sold to and ship to dealerships were different? 2.The "Charlotte Drive A Way" (with No gas ) under the destination charge? Last edited by RapidRunner; 01/02/07 02:41 PM.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33805 01/02/07 02:54 PM 01/02/07 02:54 PM
Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA RoadRunnerJD master
RoadRunnerJD master Joined: May 2004 Posts: 5,123 Warrenton, VA	We may have previously discussed that Y21 was for conforming with the "Moroney Price Label" (Federal) consumer protection law that made sure there were no hidden or missing items and clearly spelled out what the customer was paying for and getting. I think there was special documentation requirements and the fender tag needed to say it was originally a 383 engine with the A12 special V-8 conversion. There was a cover letter to all of the A12 package documentation that specifically stated that this Special Sales Order needed to have specific documentation and the Moroney Price Label (aka window sticker) had to have certain info on it and that the Moroney Price Label info had to be reported to Car Division Service Department and a special warranty book would be provided by the factory.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RoadRunnerJD] #33806 01/02/07 03:08 PM 01/02/07 03:08 PM
Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 586 Silicon valley A12bee super street
A12bee super street Joined: Aug 2003 Posts: 586 Silicon valley	I found this on cardomain.com Seems that the Y21 code is a valid code. Y14 Sold Car Order Y15 Direct Sale Y16 Sales Bank Order Y17 Corporate Lease Car System Y21 Special Headers & Tag Instructions Y22 Corporate Lease Car - Executive Y23 California Package Edit Waiver Y24 C.L.C. Lease Car - Direct Leasing Y25 Special Driveaway This space left intentianlly blank.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: A12bee] #33807 01/02/07 05:52 PM 01/02/07 05:52 PM
Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA RapidRunner master
RapidRunner master Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,150 VA	Yes, BUT what the H E Double Toothpicks does it mean? Who knows? The Shadow Knows! But he ain't on this fraking forum! "This restoration is a test,, It is ONLY a test, Had this been an actual Restoration I would have received instructions on what to do and where to get the MONEY!" -------------------------------

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: RapidRunner] #33808 01/02/07 09:54 PM 01/02/07 09:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 St. Louis, MO DodgeMaterial enthusiast
DodgeMaterial enthusiast Joined: Jul 2003 Posts: 243 St. Louis, MO	Are you asking what "Special Headers & Tag Instructions" means? If so, anything special could require this. Headers (or Footers) were (and still are) usually supplimental instructions for shipping and billing. As you might have noted this car was "dropped shipped" to a dealer - Dodge Country (not the sold to dealer). The special instructions for a "Charlotte Drive Away" indicate that this car was probably prepped for some dealer promotional event (we still do them today). This is where dealers come to an event then take their car home with them. The Y85 option sets up prep and payment but not a gas fill-up. Hope this helps some. Dave Last edited by DodgeMaterial; 01/02/07 10:18 PM. DodgeMaterial - Dave JS29U0B - FK5 - 440-4 Auto WS23V0A - EB5 - 440-6 Auto

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: DodgeMaterial] #33809 01/02/07 10:51 PM 01/02/07 10:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,407 Brantford Ontario 69_SIX_PACK master
69_SIX_PACK master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 9,407 Brantford Ontario	Quote: Are you asking what "Special Headers & Tag Instructions" means? If so, anything special could require this. Headers (or Footers) were (and still are) usually supplimental instructions for shipping and billing. As you might have noted this car was "dropped shipped" to a dealer - Dodge Country (not the sold to dealer). The special instructions for a "Charlotte Drive Away" indicate that this car was probably prepped for some dealer promotional event (we still do them today). This is where dealers come to an event then take their car home with them. The Y85 option sets up prep and payment but not a gas fill-up. Hope this helps some. Dave Thanks, that was a great explanation! Dave www.a12mopar.com

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: 6packattack] #33810 01/03/07 10:41 PM 01/03/07 10:41 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore F flypaper I hate Texas
flypaper I hate Texas F Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 18,632 jersey shore	Quote: I miss my A12 car. I am keeping an eye out for another look in the for sale area b-5!

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: DodgeMaterial] #2571281 10/29/18 10:01 PM 10/29/18 10:01 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 126 Kansas 6 65fury member
65fury member 6 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 126 Kansas	Originally Posted By DodgeMaterial Are you asking what "Special Headers & Tag Instructions" means? If so, anything special could require this. Headers (or Footers) were (and still are) usually supplimental instructions for shipping and billing. As you might have noted this car was "dropped shipped" to a dealer - Dodge Country (not the sold to dealer). The special instructions for a "Charlotte Drive Away" indicate that this car was probably prepped for some dealer promotional event (we still do them today). This is where dealers come to an event then take their car home with them. The Y85 option sets up prep and payment but not a gas fill-up. Hope this helps some. Dave I know this is an OLD thread but I had to bump it back to the top to thank the poster of this information. I'm staring at an invoice for a 383 70 road runner and it has the y21 code. Most of my search results were very vague or implied the car had special order exhaust headers etc. But this car WAS a car billed to Chrysler corporation as a Kansas City "Field Car" and shipped to a KC area dealer for pickup so the y21 makes sense. Using the term "special headers" threw me for a loop on a regular ol' 383 car and apparently has confused many others who have this code on their paperwork as well. Poor choice of words through the musclecar era.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #2571297 10/29/18 10:21 PM 10/29/18 10:21 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA A Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer
Alaskan_TA Fluffy Balladeer A Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 29,650 Hamtramck, PA	Y21 refers to the 'Header' on paperwork like a window sticker, factory invoice to the dealership or MSO. Shipped to a different address than the 'selling' agency is the most common from those I have seen so far.

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #2571309 10/29/18 10:39 PM 10/29/18 10:39 PM
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 126 Kansas 6 65fury member
65fury member 6 Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 126 Kansas	Makes perfect sense but this thread was the only place I found that didn't imply that the car came with special parts installed or in the trunk . Barry I need to get back on my list of dealer paperwork I have access to and get it all to you for the registry. Haven't forgotten. This year was hectic

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: skidder865] #2572906 11/02/18 08:00 AM 11/02/18 08:00 AM
Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 304 Wisconsin Big D A12 enthusiast
Big D A12 enthusiast Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 304 Wisconsin	Over at the A12 Registry we would really appreciate anything Lynch Road you can share with us. Data is knowledge and we appreciate you taking the time to sort through what you have. D Seeking 1969 Lynch Road fender tags/Build Sheets/Window Stickers/VIN - Over 2300 so far thanks to you!! 2018 Demon Challenger PY4 A8 Black Hood 2017 Jeep Trail Hawk 2016 Hellcat Challenger PCP A8 1969.5 A12 Super Bee WM21 V1H F6 D21 1969 Coronet RT B5 D32 M46 N96

Re: Cool find A12 Documents [Re: Alaskan_TA] #2596782 12/25/18 03:40 PM 12/25/18 03:40 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,787 Big Sky Country M MO_PA top fuel
MO_PA top fuel M Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,787 Big Sky Country	The 'Special headers & Tag instructions' meant the headers at the top of the window sticker ( ship to & sold to addresses different) & that note with the name & the VIN for 'instructions'. VIN engine code M, vs fender tag engine code E63 Last edited by MO_PA; 12/25/18 04:09 PM.

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