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From what I know .. there is a center body line diff .. but they will interchange.

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The only other difference is the 71-74 hoods had pull rods for the second latch, the 70's had a tab. There is a raised spot on the underside of the hood for the pull rod mount which uses 2 screws and a bracket. If your installing on a 70 it's no problem. If you have a 70 hood on a 71-74 take care when mounting the rod support bracket so it doesn't dent the hood from underside.

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70 uses different size bolts on hinge to hood than 71-74

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and the appropriate air cleaner to go with your engine/hood combo.

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Basically what the hemi TA base consists of is a factory Hemi shaker base that the 7 studs were never put in. Instead the outer 340-6 TA ring was spotwelded 26 times around the edge to the base. The assembly also had the 3 drain nipples installed.

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The shaker hood was then redesigned due to safety concerns.

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Can you tell me the date that this third version of the Challenger Hood might of been used in production.

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Unfortunately I cannot. As far as I know, only Daniel Banker had that information, and he has passed away. He was the true expert on Challenger shaker hoods.

Does anyone know what happened to his library of information on these cars? (photos, broadcast sheet copies, etc.)

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The shaker hood was then redesigned due to safety concerns.

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Do you have a source for this quote?

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It was not available with A63 molding group, M44 hood rear/fender molding, or on SE cars due to the hood molding not fitting over the fiberglass.

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I don't know about that?

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That's a beautiful car you have there and I'd love to look it over in person if I ever get the chance, but we all know it's not a real 71 TA. I agree that the rear hood trim can be made to fit on the fiberglass hood. I even thought about doing it myself on my own car. Chrysler literature still says the hood wasn't available with that molding though. I've only ever heard of one car that had it. Dan told me about it and said it was coded for M31. M31 is the code for door top molding only. The rear hood molding would be M44.

I am going to add the A46 trim package to the list of stuff not available. I forgot about it earlier. A46 is the 1971 version of A63. A46 is the same as A63, but lacks the 1970 only astrotone tail panel.

I'm willing to compromise if you'd like, I could remove the "due to the hood molding not fitting over the fiberglass" section. Do you think that would be more accurate?

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Can you tell me the date that this third version of the Challenger Hood might of been used in production.

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Unfortunately I cannot. As far as I know, only Daniel Banker had that information, and he has passed away. He was the true expert on Challenger shaker hoods.

Does anyone know what happened to his library of information on these cars? (photos, broadcast sheet copies, etc.)

Tav

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Here is a qustion i am going to purchase a T/A hood for my challenger in a few months is the trim for the hood still available?

Also if it makes a difference i putting this on a 71.

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Here is a qustion i am going to purchase a T/A hood for my challenger in a few months is the trim for the hood still available?

Also if it makes a difference i putting this on a 71.

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The TA hood trim has a different part # than the steel hood trim. That is because the trim included the retainers. The trim itself is the same, only the retainers are different. They are a little longer for the TA hood.

Depending on the accuracy of your reproduction hood, you might be able to get away with using your original steel hood trim retainers. If not, you might try checking with Tom at RT specialties for different retainers.

I've had good luck with both BE&A and Metro hood trim.

Tav

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Thanks for the information.

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I know of a 1971 Challenger RT 340-4 speed ordered May 71 with a TA hood
Still with the car is the letter from Chrylser Corporation stating that he could not get the TA hood at that time, instead he got the shaker hood. Opposite to the urban myth about non availability of shaker hoods being replaced by TA hoods. This particular vehicle is an 11,000 original owner car.
I plan on getting a photocopy of this when I am there next month and will post with date.

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Also regarding the "third" version shaker hood. I agree that they did have crumple zones, no raised area for the fratzog emblem, used 3/8 bolts but did "not" use Dodge letters.
The only style of this hood I have ever seen, and I have owned 2 in the past, were NOS, over the counter, call it whatever you like.
I have never seen one that was proven assembly line installed, but I could be wrong. Yes they were eventually installed on cars by owners, but were referred to, back in the day, as bast*rd hoods because of their configuration.

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Jeez Tav I hope you type faster than me.

In all honesty ... with all the knowledge here about these cars I wish everyone could collaborate on a true Challenger restoration guide that would also note all anecdotal evidence of oddities and differences that's been acquired over the years.

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Sounds good to me. One option at a time, lets start with hoods right here & now.

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Along with the shaker hood, you also got the trim ring with gasket, shaker bubble, shaker doors with short operating cable, engine callouts on the side of the bubble, dash mounted carb air cable, baseplate to hood seal, and appropriate air cleaner with baseplate to go with your engine/hood combo.

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Along with the shaker hood, you also got the trim ring with gasket, shaker bubble with shaker doors, engine callouts on the side of the bubble, dash mounted carb air cable, and appropriate air cleaner with baseplate to go with your engine/hood combo.

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Did I miss anything? The idea is to list the items that came with a shaker hood that did Not come with the standard hood.

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Did I miss anything? The idea is to list the items that came with a shaker hood that did Not come with the standard hood.

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3 spd wiper.........

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Actually, if you are listing all the items with shaker that didn't come with standard hood, you'd have to include the short operating cable working in conjunction with the dash mounted carbair cable and the seal on the adapter to fit the hood opening, among many other little things.

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Im gonna throw out something here that I seem to remember when I was restoring my 74 Challenger and had a 71 R/T as a parts car. I used and still have the hood from the 71 on my car and I recall the hood bumpers being in a different spot from the 71 to the 74, maybe due to the change in front end configurations changing to a fiberglass in 72 from the all steel fronts in 70-71. Both my hoods are/were the R/T style.

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If we look at the three last 1971 Hemi Challengers built only one has a Shaker Hood and the very last 1971 Hemi Challenger built has the performance hood and so does the second last. All three cars were built in June and the last Hemi Challenger having a June 16th build date.The third last Hemi Challengers known to be built has a Shaker Hoods that has the Raised portion at the front of the hood with NO D.O.D.G.E on it. It has crush zones and the 1971 Style bolts.

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I have never seen any Challengers in 1971 Production that ever did not have the raised portion at the front of the Shaker Hoods.

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There were three styles of Challenger Shaker hoods, (subtle differences) all 3 will interchange freely on any year 70-74 Challenger but 100% correctness will vary per the year application.

1. Style #1. 1970 which has no under hood "crash wrinkles" and a tri star emblem on the peak of the hood.
2. Style #2. 1971, same as above but with "crash wrinkles" added.
3. Style #3. VERY late 1971, new style flat front. These hoods are generally considered over the counter crash replacement parts but there are a couple of existing examples that look convincingly factory original.

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There are three different Challenger Shaker Hoods

Early 1970 (Before early to mid October, 1969) with NO crush zones w/raised boss for triangle emblem

Late 1970 (after April 15th) and 1971 with crush zones w/raised boss for triangle emblem

Late 1971 (or more likely over the counter part) with crush zones but NO raised boss for triangle emblem

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The April date that is floating around is the date that Chrysler release the information to the Dealership saying you can now order a Shaker hood on your car and receive it. I know of a 1970 440-6 Challenger that received its Shaker Hood on April 10,1970 according to the fender tag.I believe this car was on hold to receive the Shaker Hood when the Hoods came back into production.This Challenger was ordered in the late fall of 1969.

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Daniel Banker,Galen Govier and I talked quite a bit about Shaker Hoods but never ever put our information together. There is a period of time when Chrysler did not put Shaker Hoods on Challenger,but I know of 5 cars that received hoods in this time segment. 3 Challengers in Dec. and 2 in February. Same date in Feb. and two Days in Dec. one day apart. I wrote this information down back in the early eighties and never looked to see if the hoods had crush zones or not or were the 1970 Style or 1971 Style.It was just not that important back in 1980. The data plates said the cars got hoods.

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There seems to be NO 1970 N96 Challengers known to exist that were built between October 11th, 1969 and April 15th, 1970. I have seen a few examples but they NEVER have a Broadcast Sheet or Documentation.

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from memory there were 5 cars that got shaker hoods between Mid Oct. till April 10 when production was to begin again. If I remember correctly there were 3 in Dec. and 2 in Feb.The Dec. cars were two on one day and one on another around the 5-6th.The Feb.cars were on the 21st or 22nd. build date.

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That's very interesting. I have never seen a single 1970 Challenger N96 car built between 10-11-69 and 4-14-70 that had a Broadcast Sheet or Window Sticker to back it up. I'm not saying that there were none built, rather I'd love to find out if there are any out there that are legit.

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Daniel I am not sure if I still have the information about what cars exactly got the shaker hoods in Dec and Feb. I believe I have sent a list of 1970 Hemi Challengers,serial numbers only that I collected from 1977 till about 1992 to Ola Niellson for his registery.I can try to see if I can find that list and send it to you if you like,not sure if you still are into that 1970 Hemi Challenger stuff since you sold your wheels.

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I have seen 1970 Challenger that did not come with a shaker that have had the hole in the fire wall from the factory,just a mistake at the production plant,but there are a lot of mistakes,remember they were only cars back then to someone working on the line.I have also seen options on the fender tag and not on the broadcast sheet and vise versa.

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There are many on this board that have May built 1971 Challengers that received Shaker Hoods from the factory. Tell us what hood you received on your car.

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I've been thinking about that actually. I haven't seen it noted in the literature yet, so I thought it best to actually check for 2 speed wiper vs shaker interference on a car. The 2 speed wiper sticks out about 5 3/8ths from its mounting points on the firewall. The 3 speed wiper came with the rallye dash, which came with the RT cars, so only the 1971 JH model shaker cars could have potentially had the 2 speed wiper. I remembered someone who has a 1971 JH model shaker Challenger and asked him if he would check for me. Perhaps he'll chime in here when he gets the answer?

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Are there any other versions/variations to the flat hood?

Does anyone know when the changeover between flat hood versions happened? (guessing it would follow along with the shaker hood versions as the shaker was based on the flat hood)

What dictated the use or lack of use of the "DODGE" letters?

Were the holes for the "DODGE" letters pre-drilled? If not, the Fourth Version would be the same as the Third Version.

Input Please.
Tav

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