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Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair #3221366 03/19/24 08:58 AM 03/19/24 08:58 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 179 Confusion D Dodger440 OP member
Dodger440 OP member D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 179 Confusion	Does anyone have a recommendation for someone who can do a good job at repairing a damaged tapered seat lug nut hole in a cast aluminum wheel? I have 2 of the Kelsey Hayes recall wheels that have a couple lug holes that I would like fixed before I restore the wheels. The damage isn't bad. I see there are press in seats available made for this type of repair, but I would rather have them welded up and remachined by a competent shop that will get it right. Thanks!

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Dodger440] #3221420 03/19/24 12:39 PM 03/19/24 12:39 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,383 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,383 north of coder	while not being able to offer any suggestion on who to send the wheel to for a repair, i have often drilled out the buggered up taper seat and reamed to a common "shank style" nut found on aftermarket mag wheels. this almost always requires the shank style nuts to be drastically shortened [in a lathe] so they do not bottom out on the drum/disc before becoming fully tightened. sometimes, however, the taper on that style of wheel can be touched up with a 60 degree "chamfer bit" as is commonly used in a machine shop. can you post a picture of the wheel in question ?

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: moparx] #3221461 03/19/24 03:37 PM 03/19/24 03:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,532 Eagle, Idaho Neil The Doctor is in.
Neil The Doctor is in. Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,532 Eagle, Idaho	Not a welder, but I've read on a bicycle website years ago that welding on aluminum can make it get softer so it may need heat treated afterwards. I would seek out a repair shop that does wheel repair for high end cars like Vipers, Vettes, etc. and see what they tell you.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: moparx] #3221541 03/19/24 09:33 PM 03/19/24 09:33 PM
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Dodger440 OP member D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 179 Confusion	Originally Posted by moparx while not being able to offer any suggestion on who to send the wheel to for a repair, i have often drilled out the buggered up taper seat and reamed to a common "shank style" nut found on aftermarket mag wheels. this almost always requires the shank style nuts to be drastically shortened [in a lathe] so they do not bottom out on the drum/disc before becoming fully tightened. sometimes, however, the taper on that style of wheel can be touched up with a 60 degree "chamfer bit" as is commonly used in a machine shop. can you post a picture of the wheel in question ? Thanks for the replies! Because of what these wheels are and what they are going on, I can't change to a shank style lug nut because the lug nuts need to all be the same and also be correct. I took a couple pictures of 1 of the damaged holes. It is a little worse than the picture makes it look. I believe there are 4 total holes (not all on the same wheel) that need a little repair.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Dodger440] #3221555 03/19/24 10:14 PM 03/19/24 10:14 PM
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PhillyRag top fuel P Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,754 Phila	By the pics it looks like some holes are elongated. Is that some/all of the issues?

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: PhillyRag] #3221604 03/20/24 08:25 AM 03/20/24 08:25 AM
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Dodger440 OP member D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 179 Confusion	Originally Posted by PhillyRag By the pics it looks like some holes are elongated. Is that some/all of the issues? Yes, that is the issue with most of them. One hole has had a prior repair which was not done very well, so that one needs a little more work which will require machining the back surface (the part that goes up against the brake drum) to make it flat.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Dodger440] #3221633 03/20/24 11:05 AM 03/20/24 11:05 AM
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Kiddart pro stock K Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,550 Michigan	i am not a metallurgist, but could you just have the holes drilled and then press in a hardened sleeve to the original size? I would think this could strengthen the area as well. Thank you Kiddart

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Kiddart] #3221662 03/20/24 01:24 PM 03/20/24 01:24 PM
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topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,759 A collage of whims	^^^ Good idea - hardened sleeves are available at good hardware stores. And a little skill with a small grinding wheel would handle the backside of the wheel. Hard to tell, but are those Exciters or Vectors or ?

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: topside] #3221675 03/20/24 02:20 PM 03/20/24 02:20 PM
Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,383 north of coder moparx "Butt Crack Bob"
moparx "Butt Crack Bob" Joined: Sep 2003 Posts: 19,383 north of coder	by the looks of that seat, i would try to touch it up with a 60 degree champher tool first.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: topside] #3221713 03/20/24 05:40 PM 03/20/24 05:40 PM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State	Originally Posted by topside ^^^ Good idea - hardened sleeves are available at good hardware stores. And a little skill with a small grinding wheel would handle the backside of the wheel. Hard to tell, but are those Exciters or Vectors or ? He said that they were the "Recall Wheels" , the factory ones from 1969. That's why he's trying to fix them. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: SNK-EYZ] #3221761 03/20/24 08:17 PM 03/20/24 08:17 PM
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topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,759 A collage of whims	Ah, yes - sorry, I blew past that. Definitely worth saving !

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Kiddart] #3221806 03/20/24 10:32 PM 03/20/24 10:32 PM
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PhillyRag top fuel P Joined: May 2006 Posts: 1,754 Phila	Originally Posted by Kiddart i am not a metallurgist, but could you just have the holes drilled and then press in a hardened sleeve to the original size? I would think this could strengthen the area as well. That way the stud threads wouldn't dig into the softer alum, of the hole. Machining shouldn't be that difficult. Seems easier then trying to do alum. welding. Last edited by PhillyRag; 03/20/24 10:32 PM.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Dodger440] #3221848 03/21/24 08:58 AM 03/21/24 08:58 AM
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J_BODY I Live Here J Joined: May 2003 Posts: 13,187 aZLiViN	https://customwheelaccessories.com/browse-our-catalog/wheel-inserts

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: J_BODY] #3221894 03/21/24 12:47 PM 03/21/24 12:47 PM
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Stanton Don't question me! S Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 8,869 Ontario, Canada	You could sleeve the holes BUT you'd be losing a significant amount of the original tapered surface which is what retains the wheel - the sleeve would just be filling the hole. The wheels should center properly on the hub since they are "Mopar" wheels. I wouldn't worry too much about the elongated holes, they don't look that bad - would probably look worse after the repairs !! I'd just make sure when installing them that they are snugged down gradually and that they center on the taper of the nuts.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: Stanton] #3221937 03/21/24 05:07 PM 03/21/24 05:07 PM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State	These are the wheel inserts that should probably be used. Picking the correct size one would be the main thing. The wheels need machined already so getting them machined for the inserts would make sense. https://customwheelaccessories.com/browse-our-catalog/wheel-inserts They would eliminate the problem of the wheels wearing at the taper ever again. They're available from multiple places. http://www.prestigewheel.com/RetaiWheelInserts.asp Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: SNK-EYZ] #3221950 03/21/24 06:34 PM 03/21/24 06:34 PM
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B1MAXX top fuel Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,973 Apollo, PA.	Be nice to have the wheel center off the axle register also.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: B1MAXX] #3222009 03/21/24 09:57 PM 03/21/24 09:57 PM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State	Originally Posted by B1MAXX Be nice to have the wheel center off the axle register also. If done properly with the inserts put in the correct position it would be. The wheel should be hub centric, and the wheel inserts should position the lug nuts properly if machined and installed and placed correctly. If done properly the hub centers on the axle flange and all the lug nuts have to do is hold the wheel securely in place. That's how it was designed. Wallowed out lug holes will never secure the wheel properly, hence the installation of the inserts. Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: SNK-EYZ] #3222047 03/22/24 07:25 AM 03/22/24 07:25 AM
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B1MAXX top fuel Joined: May 2005 Posts: 1,973 Apollo, PA.	Looked like to me they weren't hub centric like a magnum 500. If they are that would be best. They make shims for that was all I was suggesting.

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: B1MAXX] #3222160 03/22/24 03:18 PM 03/22/24 03:18 PM
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SNK-EYZ I Live Here Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 10,132 A Red State	Originally Posted by B1MAXX Looked like to me they weren't hub centric like a magnum 500. If they are that would be best. They make shims for that was all I was suggesting. The place in the first link I posted also has the hub centric rings to make wheels hub centric. https://customwheelaccessories.com/hub-centric-rings Kayse can't keep up at all now. lol

Re: Cast aluminum wheel lug hole repair [Re: SNK-EYZ] #3222163 03/22/24 03:23 PM 03/22/24 03:23 PM
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INTMD8 super stock Joined: May 2019 Posts: 712 Lake Villa Il	Originally Posted by SNK-EYZ These are the wheel inserts that should probably be used. I agree. I think that would be a much better solution. 69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700

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