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A body BB to Hemi MM #3212730 02/11/24 11:29 AM 02/11/24 11:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Can anyone tell me if Hemi and BB wedge take the same motor mount? I currently have a BB in my A body using a plate and a pass side Schumacher conversion MM and will be installing a BME block Hemi. I understand the engine needs to set in the perfect position in order for the TTI headers to fit. I do plan on switching out the K for a QA1 K as well. So just trying to figure what motor mount i need for the pass side to get the measures 14" and 16" measured from frame to centerline crank each side. Thanks http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212742 02/11/24 12:09 PM 02/11/24 12:09 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,490 Minnesota Hemi_Joel master
Hemi_Joel master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 7,490 Minnesota	Dave, Hemi and wedge do not use the same mount. At least with factory blocks. I don't know if BME did something different or not? [img]http://i.imgur.com/boeexFms.jpg[/img] 31 Plymouth Coupe, 392 Hemi, T56 magnum RS23J71 RS27J77 RP23J71 RO23J71 WM21J8A I don't regret the things I've done. I only regret the things I didn't do. "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. ~ Plato"

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3212747 02/11/24 12:27 PM 02/11/24 12:27 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Do you know if BB and Hemi have the same block width? I dont see anything over on the Schumacher site. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212750 02/11/24 12:36 PM 02/11/24 12:36 PM
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mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Im now sure i will use a QA1 K and their lower control arms. This should make installing the hemi a bit easier. A gentleman over on B bodies has given me some very good info installing a Hemi into an A body. Thought i would see what i could find over here as well. I now know the master cylinder conversion block is not enough when using the Stage V covers. MC also has to be moved up about an inch or so. Anyone have any pics of the pass side inner fender mod to clear the valve cover and make easy removal? May have to speak with Schumacher to find out something on that pass side mount. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: Hemi_Joel] #3212755 02/11/24 12:46 PM 02/11/24 12:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Was just over on the TTI site and foot notes say Schumacher has something. I will call them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212758 02/11/24 12:51 PM 02/11/24 12:51 PM
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Blusmbl master Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 8,165 Plymouth, MI	Originally Posted by mopar dave Do you know if BB and Hemi have the same block width? I dont see anything over on the Schumacher site. Same block, except Hemis have different motor mounts on them. Wedges have the ears, while Hemis have a little spot where 3 bolts thread in facing the skirt of the block on each side. The callies block I have has both the Wedge ears and the hemi pad on it, I think the BME blocks are the same way. '18 Ford Raptor, random motorcycles, 1968 Plymouth Fury III - 11.37 @ 118

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212764 02/11/24 01:06 PM 02/11/24 01:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,085 Benton, IL. D DaveRS23 Special needs idiot
DaveRS23 Special needs idiot D Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 12,085 Benton, IL.	I put an aftermarket blocked Hemi in a 68 Dart. The outside dimensions of the new blocks will have differences from the originals. In the end, the ONLY way that I got it to fit was to buy an engine mount kit for the 'K', set the engine in and then tack the mounts together with everything in place. Then I removed the 'K', fully welded the mounts up and had it powder coated. Otherwise, a fraction of an inch or degree of measurement off anywhere meant it would not work. There is NO room for error. Just my experience. Master, again and still

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212766 02/11/24 01:13 PM 02/11/24 01:13 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,646 Stuttgart, Arkansas rickseeman master
rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,646 Stuttgart, Arkansas	Originally Posted by mopar dave I now know the master cylinder conversion block is not enough when using the Stage V covers. MC also has to be moved up about an inch or so. My buddy bought the new MC mount that moves it over further. I'll see if I can find that info again. It makes it a lot better. Last edited by rickseeman; 02/11/24 01:13 PM. 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: rickseeman] #3212770 02/11/24 01:35 PM 02/11/24 01:35 PM
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rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,646 Stuttgart, Arkansas	Found it. Mike Roth at MR2 performance. 765-483-9371 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212774 02/11/24 01:56 PM 02/11/24 01:56 PM
Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 991 Addison,IL OUTLAWSSAA super stock
OUTLAWSSAA super stock Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 991 Addison,IL	Originally Posted by mopar dave Im now sure i will use a QA1 K and their lower control arms. This should make installing the hemi a bit easier. A gentleman over on B bodies has given me some very good info installing a Hemi into an A body. Thought i would see what i could find over here as well. I now know the master cylinder conversion block is not enough when using the Stage V covers. MC also has to be moved up about an inch or so. Anyone have any pics of the pass side inner fender mod to clear the valve cover and make easy removal? May have to speak with Schumacher to find out something on that pass side mount. I don't know what you mean that the standard conversion bracket won't work with Stage V valve covers. And in order to use that other bracket you would have to relocate the brake rod to make that work.

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: rickseeman] #3212777 02/11/24 02:04 PM 02/11/24 02:04 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Thanks guys. I may have to call TTI, QA1 and Schumacher to get this exact if possible. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: OUTLAWSSAA] #3212778 02/11/24 02:06 PM 02/11/24 02:06 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	The DR Diff MC relocating block has to be moved up about a 1/2-1" for the MC to clear the Stage V valve cover. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: rickseeman] #3212779 02/11/24 02:07 PM 02/11/24 02:07 PM
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mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Thank you for the other option. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212804 02/11/24 04:35 PM 02/11/24 04:35 PM
Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,646 Stuttgart, Arkansas rickseeman master
rickseeman master Joined: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,646 Stuttgart, Arkansas	Yes, but it's pretty easy. I believe my buddy said you turn the bolt around and the rod goes on the other side of the brake pedal. 2011 Drag Pak Challenger

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: rickseeman] #3212834 02/11/24 05:57 PM 02/11/24 05:57 PM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,784 A collage of whims topside Too Many Posts
topside Too Many Posts Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 20,784 A collage of whims	When Hurst did the conversion back in the day, they spaced the K down from the frame rails. Apparently the early cars were a bit evil-handling, as they later modified the steering arms. That info, engineering drawings, and a couple photos of the rt apron cut & splice are in Jim Schild's Hemi A-body book. Maybe some of those mods won't be necessary with the QA1 K-member. The interference with the rt apron was at the bottom of the valve cover. Greg Fernald @ SS/AFX, and Troy (member) should be able to help with questions/answers/tips.

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: topside] #3212854 02/11/24 07:29 PM 02/11/24 07:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	I will have to get that A body book. Any idea how much spacer they used on the K? Do you know if there are any pics in that book that show inner fender mods? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3212977 02/12/24 10:12 AM 02/12/24 10:12 AM
Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,845 S.E. Michigan ZIPPY I Live Here
ZIPPY I Live Here Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,845 S.E. Michigan	As it was explained to me, the Original style shock tower mod was to just smash it in with a hammer. Modern builds usually have that area cut out and a fabricated piece welded in. Below is a link with a still-working picture of an original "clearanced" shock tower. Link Rich H. Esse Quam Videri

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: ZIPPY] #3213051 02/12/24 03:18 PM 02/12/24 03:18 PM
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6PKRTSE master 6 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,566 Motor City	Mine is in an E Body and not an A Body, but Indy does make a shock tower clearance passenger side rocker cover. This may or may not help in an A Body. I have never done it myself. I am able to remove the cover without any mods to the shock tower and in the factory mounting position even though front and mid plates are added. Hard to tell, but If you look closely there is a relief in the outside of the cover that does not interfere with any valve train internally. 1963 Belvedere 440 Max Wedge Tribute 1970 Charger R/T S.E. 440 Six Pack 1970 Challenger R/T, 528 Hemi 1970 Charger 500 S.E. 440 4 BBL 1970 Plymouth Road Runner 383 1974 Chrysler New Yorker 440 1996 2500 RAM 488 V-10 4X4 2004 3500 Dually Cummins 4x4 2012 Challenger R/T Classic.

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: 6PKRTSE] #3213079 02/12/24 05:32 PM 02/12/24 05:32 PM
Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan mopar dave OP master
mopar dave OP master Joined: Jan 2007 Posts: 8,040 Mt Morris Michigan	Ok, thanks for posting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIxaesJ190U http://youtu.be/lCZAaN7fFLg

Re: A body BB to Hemi MM [Re: mopar dave] #3213139 02/12/24 09:30 PM 02/12/24 09:30 PM
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68 HEMI GTS mopar 6 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 511 Temperance, MI	I’m not that far from you if you wanted to look at mine. 68 Dart GTS "HEMI" 10.30 @ 131 pump gas street car 3780# 69 Roadrunner 511 six pack 10.92 drive to track street car

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