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2009 Engine masters #320071
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Here are some pics of the start of the 2009 SB mopar. Vic Bloomer and I am working on this year. I was not going to do this but I could not sell last years engine and Vic and I had alot of fun. So with some help for vic on new crank,rods and intake here we go again LOL.
Engine will be Bigger this year.
3.792" crank by 4.070" bore (BIG thanks Vic)
11.3to1
I will be making big changes to the heads and intake setup from last years engine.
Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320072
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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320073
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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320074
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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320075
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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320077
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Funny thing is,every time I see Vic lately,he is on the phone with Brett.I'm glad you guys are doing this again,looking forward to seeing and hearing more about it!

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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320078
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Good luck to both of you

Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: Dunnuck Racing] #320079
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Every time? Come on.

Maybe we will bend the needle on that DTS this year.


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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: S/ST 3040] #320080
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So what are the rules this year? I can't find them any where, cept a few very general ones

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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: HotRodDave] #320081
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Looks good, but can someone answer me why they use a dial indicator instead of a specialized mic? I've never understood this unless for some reason you wanted to measure stretch while you were torquing, which I don't see how you can in that setup...

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Dial indicators are used extensively on snap-gages, throughout
the machining industry for tolerances down to at least .0001" It's
much quicker and highly accurate. I've used them for years.

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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: S/ST 3040] #320083
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Good luck guys! Where and when is the contest this year?


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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: S/ST 3040] #320085
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Dial indicators are used extensively on snap-gages, throughout
the machining industry for tolerances down to at least .0001" It's
much quicker and highly accurate. I've used them for years.



The real nice ones yes, but a standard indicator (like the one pictured) is only good down to .0005. The crappiest mics out there are good to .0001. I'm not seeing the logic, I guess it's just faster with a DI...

Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: CokeBottleKid] #320086
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Why not just good luck or something instead of trying to

Good luck this yr

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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320087
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Brett,

Check your pms.

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Your work is a reflection of yourself, autograph it with quality.

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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: 412 SB Duster] #320088
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I know Vic had a blast last year and I can't wait to hear how it goes. GOOD LUCK

Rod
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Dial indicators are used extensively on snap-gages, throughout
the machining industry for tolerances down to at least .0001" It's
much quicker and highly accurate. I've used them for years.



The real nice ones yes, but a standard indicator (like the one pictured) is only good down to .0005. The crappiest mics out there are good to .0001. I'm not seeing the logic, I guess it's just faster with a DI...



it's possible that whatever information you've learned from books doesn't correlate exactly to what actually works for the hands on mechanic.
for example, you have to separate accuracy and resolution when it comes to mic's and indicators. a given mic might only read to .001 (i have a couple of Starret's that way)but with great accuracy. an "experienced" user can read that mic to within .0001 the same goes for dial indicators. stretch guages like the one shown are far superior than using a given torque value for critical components like rod bolts.

Re: 2009 Engine masters #320090
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Brett- I didn't know you had the bottom end together already. Definitely much farther ahead than you were last year!

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Hey Vic, is that blending your handy work? Enjoying the play by play action

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Looks good. At least they dropped the stupid rule of flat tappet cams only.

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Hey Vic, is that blending your handy work? Enjoying the play by play action



Yes, I just started roughing it in today. There's plenty more to do.

Roller cams, tunnel rams, EFI........

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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: S/ST 3040] #320096
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hey Vic I was working on some stuff LOL.... Got to get going !!!!!!!
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50* seat 45* top cut works into chamber nice.
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I better keep this one! Good Luck! Thanks!

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Hey Brian been at it all weekend LOL here are some pics of the Intake. I will give you a ring this week.. Thanks again for hooking me up with the Intake.
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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: CokeBottleKid] #320111
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Quote:

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Dial indicators are used extensively on snap-gages, throughout
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much quicker and highly accurate. I've used them for years.



The real nice ones yes, but a standard indicator (like the one pictured) is only good down to .0005. The crappiest mics out there are good to .0001. I'm not seeing the logic, I guess it's just faster with a DI...



A Mic that measure to 1/10th of a thou is useless in the wrong hands, a stretch gauge or snap gauge takes the user's "feel" out of the equation. They are a very accurate measuring device that can be used quickly and consistantly. A Mic with spherical anvils could be used, but the stretch gauge would be just as accurate and much faster.

Unless you are in a temperature controlled environment, measuring to 0.0001" is futile, the size will change just holding the mic in your hand too long.
AL...

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Nice! Keep us posted on the runner progress as well.

Thanks to Todd at Marsh Performance for pulling strings and getting it up to you so quickly, great guy to deal with.

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I have to give Thanks to Dennis at AFD cylinder heads we had to patch heads back together after 2008 EM. seat and guide work on sundays LOL fun stuff. got the on the flow bench tonight at AFD. Not bad but could be better just to fast over ST. I think wse are just going to stay on the safe side but... the set up in this head with more ST work would make Killer power on a all out engine.

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What are the cubic inch rules this year?

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FLOW PRO Report
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Test No. Test Name Customer Max CFM
Avg CFM
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36 bhinbc 337.6
227.5
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Lift CCFM MANOMETER RANGE DEPRESSION ACFM
CFM DIF PERCENT OF ACTUAL DEPR
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0.0500 52.3 0.24 I1 28.00 52.3
27.25
0.1000 81.8 0.47 I1 28.00 81.8
25.46
0.1500 120.1 0.89 I1 28.00 120.1
27.21
0.2000 152.9 1.35 I1 28.00 152.9
24.44
0.2500 183.7 1.87 I1 28.00 183.7
26.25
0.3000 204.4 2.27 I1 28.00 204.4
27.61
0.3500 230.2 2.82 I1 28.00 230.2
26.83
0.4000 258.2 3.49 I1 28.00 258.2
27.95
0.4500 281.9 4.11 I1 28.00 281.9
25.72
0.5000 305.2 4.76 I1 28.00 305.2
27.75
0.5500 321.1 5.24 I1 28.00 321.1
26.66
0.6000 331.7 5.57 I1 28.00 331.7
25.73
0.6500 337.6 5.75 I1 28.00 337.6
25.25
0.7000 324.4 5.34 I1 28.00 324.4
26.28

Here are the flow #s for intake port. The CI rules are open this year.

Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320116
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Have you tried flowing the head with the intake, and carb?

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Not to Hijack your post Brett, but I figured I'd introduce myself here before the EMC in October. Our team (SKMFX Engine) has been accepted and myself being a Mopar fan have chosen to enter a 471 low deck stroker. All I really want at this point is to not embarass ourselves! I truly cannot wait for October and the chance to meet you and the other competitors. I am sure it will be a humbling experience to say the least. J.Rob
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Have you tried flowing the head with the intake, and carb?


No I did not have time to do that yet would like to have that data but I would like to be on the dyno in 2 weeks(good luck with that LOL) and I still need parts..... and need to finish the other head and match up the intake. I will give it a shot(flow intake/carb on the head) What did you think of the flow #s ? This is now a 2.08" intake valve so if it did not back up over .650" would be darn nice head. I think it would make big power on all out Drag engine.
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Not to Hijack your post Brett, but I figured I'd introduce myself here before the EMC in October. Our team (SKMFX Engine) has been accepted and myself being a Mopar fan have chosen to enter a 471 low deck stroker. All I really want at this point is to not embarass ourselves! I truly cannot wait for October and the chance to meet you and the other competitors. I am sure it will be a humbling experience to say the least. J.Rob


You will have a good time!"Nervous Excitement" How far you on the engine build?
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Re: 2009 Engine masters [Re: W5DART66] #320122
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Have you tried flowing the head with the intake, and carb?


No I did not have time to do that yet would like to have that data but I would like to be on the dyno in 2 weeks(good luck with that LOL) and I still need parts..... and need to finish the other head and match up the intake. I will give it a shot(flow intake/carb on the head) What did you think of the flow #s ? This is now a 2.08" intake valve so if it did not back up over .650" would be darn nice head. I think it would make big power on all out Drag engine.



I would have tried a 2.125 valve. Did this on a project I'm working on right now, and it actually works quite well! Flow #'s look alright, but .400 and .500 are low compared to larger intake valve that I've tried.
How fast is the port where you are accessing (.100 below max lift at the valve measured)?

Brian Hafliger
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