Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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If you are going to be a bear, why not be a grizzly? I'd stroke that Hemi, get a minor port job on the heads, 3/4 roller cam, 10.5:1 compression.
Look, the 425-460 horse of a stock Hemi was a big deal in 1966-1967. Today, it's nothing. Don't embarrass the Hemi legend by building an engine that won't keep up with the LS. The factor of embarrassment is based on the stroke? If so I'll put 10k up against this car heads up no matter what displacement it ends up at. No. It's the whole package. He says it is a purely street car, not a race car. But inevitably, he will be rolling down the freeway at 70 and some other hot car is going to pull up along side and floor it. He will be a lot less likely to be embarrassed if he has 650 horse under the hood than 450. And it is a whole lot easier and better street mannered to make 650 horse with the extra stroke.
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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12/20/23 12:12 AM
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Yes. Mine is purely street not race.
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69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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If you are going to be a bear, why not be a grizzly? I'd stroke that Hemi, get a minor port job on the heads, 3/4 roller cam, 10.5:1 compression.
Look, the 425-460 horse of a stock Hemi was a big deal in 1966-1967. Today, it's nothing. Don't embarrass the Hemi legend by building an engine that won't keep up with the LS. The factor of embarrassment is based on the stroke? If so I'll put 10k up against this car heads up no matter what displacement it ends up at. No. It's the whole package. He says it is a purely street car, not a race car. But inevitably, he will be rolling down the freeway at 70 and some other hot car is going to pull up along side and floor it. He will be a lot less likely to be embarrassed if he has 650 horse under the hood than 450. And it is a whole lot easier and better street mannered to make 650 horse with the extra stroke. I really don't care if I win or lose in a situation like this. The car is more a bucket list to own for me than anything combined with a nice cruiser. I can smash every one in a great while just for grins. NOT something for street creds or bragging rights in any way shape or form Im probably at least a year away, maybe more for giving this real serious thoughts on how to actually build ,,,or not. I truly understand the desire to go that route. But Im simply not the kid I used to be that wanted a top level fast car like that. That said, If I pull it down and happen to find a crank issue . Then I will give some serious thoughts to build it with a little more ummmmph
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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I don't get the 9.0:1 Street Hemi idea - the chamber is not that sensitive to octane. That's a fundamental reason Chrysler introduced it for the '51 models. I ran 10.8:1 in mine with iron heads on Calif 91 and it never rattled. Granted, the cam had some overlap that bled off a bit of CR, but it had a fairly aggressive curve, 36 total, + vac advance. I built my wedge that way. 9:1, 500 hp, 600 ft/lbs on 87 regular and more than enough bottom end torque to launch a 4800 lb New Yorker around with authority with 3.23 gears. 4.15 stroke. He said it's a street car and it sounds like he drives it further than the local Dairy Queen. I'd build a 9:1 4.25 stroke tractor motor with a power brake friendly cam profile and enjoy the no drama able to drive it cross country street manners that can still roast tires or dust a 911 on a 60 mph roll on. Kevin
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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12/23/23 06:21 AM
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If you are going to be a bear, why not be a grizzly? I'd stroke that Hemi, get a minor port job on the heads, 3/4 roller cam, 10.5:1 compression.
Look, the 425-460 horse of a stock Hemi was a big deal in 1966-1967. Today, it's nothing. Don't embarrass the Hemi legend by building an engine that won't keep up with the LS. The factor of embarrassment is based on the stroke? If so I'll put 10k up against this car heads up no matter what displacement it ends up at. No. It's the whole package. He says it is a purely street car, not a race car. But inevitably, he will be rolling down the freeway at 70 and some other hot car is going to pull up along side and floor it. He will be a lot less likely to be embarrassed if he has 650 horse under the hood than 450. And it is a whole lot easier and better street mannered to make 650 horse with the extra stroke. I'm sorry Joel, I apologize. I took this the wrong way the other day but I understand what you're saying and agree.
69 Charger. 438ci Gen2 hemi. Flex fuel. Holley HP efi. 650rwhp @7250 510rwtq @5700
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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And more torque from more inches will only make the converter seem more sluggish on the street.
I fought this issue on my 540. It was just too 'mushy' below 3,500. I wanted a snappier, crisper response at low engine speeds. Like when I was cruising and driving around town. I tried PTC twice, but I wasn't happy with the results. I ended up sending it to UCC, back when Lenny was still there. He opened the converter, called me and said there wasn't anything else off the shelf he could do to tighten it up any more.
BUT! He had a couple of tweeks he could make and had some suggestions for me to do on my end. Now that helped a noticeable amount. The car moves off better and is almost as crisp and responsive as stock. And it cost less than $350. Lenny's the man! Or was the man, anyway.
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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Ok, question.
On these large stroker engines are headers a requirement What about head work or cam profile , stock intake and carb setups etc etc Torque conv upgrades, rear axle ?
( mine is an auto with about a 2800/3000 stall and 3.54 dana )
I'll be honest, Im not a big fan of the convertor , IMO takes far too much throttle to get it moving, especially cold. Andy did it. I thought there was a magazine article somewhere for it. Found a thread on FABO. https://www.forabodiesonly.com/mopar/threads/sniper-on-a-big-block-stroker.409379/
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Re: Street hemi build to stroke or not to stroke
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Ok, question.
On these large stroker engines are headers a requirement What about head work or cam profile , stock intake and carb setups etc etc Torque conv upgrades, rear axle ?
( mine is an auto with about a 2800/3000 stall and 3.54 dana )
I'll be honest, Im not a big fan of the convertor , IMO takes far too much throttle to get it moving, especially cold. We did 1 3/4" headers and they work fine on my 505. I also use a 2800 rated 11" stall converter that works great with a 3.54 gear. You really should have some type of head work done to take advantage of the larger stroke. I tried using an 8 3/4 and broke it in short order. Put a Dana or 9" in and never look back.
'63 Dodge 330 11.19 @ 121 mph Pump gas, n/a, through the mufflers on street tires with 3.54's. 3,600 lbs. 10.01 @ 133mph with a 250 shot of nitrous an a splash of race gas. 1.36 60 ft. 3,700 lbs.
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