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Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters #3189294
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A bit long and windy at 14 minutes long, but they cover some cool information on oil and filters that you don't normally hear about.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=939WTeorBnQ


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3189302
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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3189303
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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3189319
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What I thought was hilarious was the idea that if you prefill the filter you're putting "unfiltered" oil into the motor. Right! When you drained it black tar came out - but you're worried about putting unfiltered oil in !!!

Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: Stanton] #3189338
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What if………
The oil pan pick up drains clear during an oil change. Now the pump has to suck air before it re-primes itself. It’s easier for the pump to do this if there is less restriction on the pressure side (a dry filter…..full of air) vs a prefilled filter.

I’ve never heard anyone discuss that. And for the record…yeah, I prefilled filters on everything.

Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3189351
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Always seemed logical to me to pre-fill the filter; especially vertical ones.
Can't quite accomplish that on a BBM without making a mess, though; maybe half-full on those.

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OK first off, I have never drawn fresh oil out of a 55 gallon drum. But I could see where there is a much higher risk of contaminants in a drum vs out of plastic quarts or gallon jugs. I have never seen anything come out of plastic containers that I questioned.

That first 4 or 5 seconds those guys talk about in the video is why I have always prelubed my engine with an accumulator.

I have a remote filter, oil cooler and a bunch of lines that would take a lot longer to fill up. And that 14:1 compression would be beating the crap out of the rod bearings. I would bet if I changed oil and screwed the filter on dry it would take long enough to cause engine damage.


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: moparacer] #3189398
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Originally Posted by moparacer
OK first off, I have never drawn fresh oil out of a 55 gallon drum. But I could see where there is a much higher risk of contaminants in a drum vs out of plastic quarts or gallon jugs. I have never seen anything come out of plastic containers that I questioned.

That first 4 or 5 seconds those guys talk about in the video is why I have always prelubed my engine with an accumulator.

I have a remote filter, oil cooler and a bunch of lines that would take a lot longer to fill up. And that 14:1 compression would be beating the crap out of the rod bearings. I would bet if I changed oil and screwed the filter on dry it would take long enough to cause engine damage.



iagree Yep, I ALWAYS have full oil pressure before I even hit the key. And I prefill the filter, too.


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3189531
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One of the things I will never be without on a race car, accumulator.


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3189705
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The main killer I see is extended oil change intervals. Engines burning oil went from a rare occasion to a regular thing over the last 15 years.

Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: MoonshineMattK] #3189707
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Today's ultra thin oils also play a roll in that.


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3189724
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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: SomeCarGuy] #3189777
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Interesting take on the video. Without even seeing it. work


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3190896
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Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Today's ultra thin oils also play a roll in that.


And ultra thin rings


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: HotRodDave] #3190901
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
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Today's ultra thin oils also play a roll in that.


And ultra thin rings
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I was shocked how much the newer thin rings make in the reduction of rotational torque needed to rotate on a new motor without the heads on them shock up


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3190910
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I read the part about people actually believing that you shouldn't prefill the oil filter, because that oil will hit the galleries BEFORE it goes thru the filter media, thus damaging the bearings. Vs. starting up with NO oil being delivered to the bearings while the filter fills up from the oil pump. How can anyone be that clueless, and repeat this nonsense online? And how can enuff people be that gullible as to repeat it? These must be the ones who have magnets on their fuel lines, little propeller blades under the throttle blades, and spark plugs with 8 electrodes each.
Obviously, running brand new, clean oil fresh from the bottle thru a filter does not clean it.


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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: DaveRS23] #3190946
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Originally Posted by HotRodDave
Originally Posted by DaveRS23
Today's ultra thin oils also play a roll in that.


And ultra thin rings


And that roll is:

Low tension rings take less soot to stick in the piston groove. Change the oil before it's saturated with soot and coating engine internals.

Cam phasers can stick.

Also, people are not used to checking oil levels anymore. Rings stick, oil usages begins. Turn fast or break hard enough to uncover the oil pickup. Oil pump sucks some air. Now the hydraulically tensioned timing chain can jump and ruin the day in a hurry.

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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: MoonshineMattK] #3190952
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I absolutely guarantee there is no one out there that takes care of their own fleet of vehicles like me.You can go out and pull the dipstick on anything I own and the oil is clean as when it came out of the bottle.I learned alot about oil from Valvoline and a couple other companys. Imagine driving a semi truck 50 miles and dump the oil and filters 3 times in one day. You can drive it and check the oil and its clean. I was told to pre fill the filter was to keep the paper from tearing or laying over. Just imagine all the fuel filters that have been pre filled. I also think its click bait. Birdtracker

Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: birdtracker] #3190954
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Dirty oil is ALWAYS better than no oil. Thats why so many oil filters have by-pass valves.

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Re: Very interesting info on pre oiling oil filters [Re: '72CudaRacer] #3190971
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Originally Posted by '72CudaRacer
Dirty oil is ALWAYS better than no oil. Thats why so many oil filters have by-pass valves.

Brian


I disagree. A bypass built into a FILTER is done so that the filter medium can filter to a much smaller micron. A Full flow filter sacrifices this in order to flow ALL oil through the media.

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