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Re: I Have No Power From a Stop [Re: VITC_GTX] #3185050
10/19/23 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by VITC_GTX
I rebuilt the engine and I did degree the cam. I had to get an adjustable timing set to get it right.

TDC was verified as well.



What centerline did you degree the cam to?


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Re: I Have No Power From a Stop [Re: JohnRR] #3185073
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What RPM are you at during this “no power” timeframe? A lot of cams don’t make power till about 2000 rpm and if you try to engage the clutch well below that the power just isn’t there yet……..

Re: I Have No Power From a Stop [Re: Ronnman] #3185168
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Originally Posted by Ronnman
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I have a 383 with a mild Mopar .474 lift cam. Timing wise, I’m running 24 initial and 36 total with one light and one medium spring to advance faster, plus vacuum advance. I believe you’re solution will be found in dialing in the timing.
Ron


Thanks. The bump up to 19 really helped it and I'm fairly happy with it now. I'll still try and tune it up a little more in the future.

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Originally Posted by JohnRR
Originally Posted by VITC_GTX
I rebuilt the engine and I did degree the cam. I had to get an adjustable timing set to get it right.

TDC was verified as well.



What centerline did you degree the cam to?


I don't remember, I'd have to go back in the paperwork and my notes to see what I did. That was over a year ago...

Re: I Have No Power From a Stop [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3185171
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
What RPM are you at during this “no power” timeframe? A lot of cams don’t make power till about 2000 rpm and if you try to engage the clutch well below that the power just isn’t there yet……..


Right off the line (700 - 1200-ish). I realize the cam/engine isn't even close to it's power band but it was noticeably down on power. A '63 Volkswagon Beetle with three heavy guys in it could have beat it off the line. eek

With the timing bumped up it's much better!

Re: I Have No Power From a Stop [Re: VITC_GTX] #3185193
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Originally Posted by VITC_GTX
Originally Posted by Ronnman
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I have a 383 with a mild Mopar .474 lift cam. Timing wise, I’m running 24 initial and 36 total with one light and one medium spring to advance faster, plus vacuum advance. I believe you’re solution will be found in dialing in the timing.
Ron


Thanks. The bump up to 19 really helped it and I'm fairly happy with it now. I'll still try and tune it up a little more in the future.


Adding to your initial timing with out limiting the total timing to 34 - 36 degrees will give you too much timing well over 36 degrees. When you hook the vacuum pod up to manifold FBO can explain why you time these cars was way and can help in getting your distributor set up right. vacuum, you will get even more power off idle and just better mileage and performance off idle. vacuum advance

Most Mopars, especially with larger than factory spec cams will need more initial timing. Yours is sounding like its pretty close at 19. You use a vaccuum gauge to find the sweet spot, You are looking for the highest reading. Once you find what your combo need to reach the highest level of vacuum, you now have to shorten the amount of mechanical advance to limit the total timing added to keep that between 34 and 36 degrees.

Another often misunderstood way to increase off idle power is to use manifold, not ported vacuum. You can also fine tune both the range or amount and how much pressure it takes to change the vacuum pods range of motion. manifold vacuum advances the timing at idle and falls away as the throttle is opening to reduce the timing and avoid detonation. This set-up absolutely woke up my Slant six super six.


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Re: I Have No Power From a Stop [Re: VITC_GTX] #3186839
10/27/23 01:22 PM
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How tall are the rear tires? That can kill those 3.23 gears. How many miles on this engine?
It will get better when the rings are seated and it gets a few thousand miles on it.

I had a “small summit cam” in a 318, no bottom end power on that one. Like you are saying severely lacking off idle and low rpm.

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