Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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Taking a step back from the numbers and along the lines of education, this appears to be a correct restoration. I know there were some early body colored shakers (mostly or all red?) and then they went to argent silver. Were there any black shakers on non-black cars like this one has?? Was it a late build thing before going black in 1971? Great question. Would like to hear from any members who have any first hand assembly line experience. But I guess it makes sense they would have the black bubbles ready for production in August for 71 models.
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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08/06/23 11:43 AM
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OK let's go with the story that the cage stamp got wonky after hitting it on the transmission, then how did the "1" become an "I" on the engine stamp or am I seeing that wrong??? Also someone mentioned above that the car wasn't quite a "survivor" before the restoration, do you have any pictures to show what it was???? I still think the driver door and passenger door differences need better addressing??? No???
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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08/07/23 09:31 PM
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OK let's go with the story that the cage stamp got wonky after hitting it on the transmission, then how did the "1" become an "I" on the engine stamp or am I seeing that wrong??? Also someone mentioned above that the car wasn't quite a "survivor" before the restoration, do you have any pictures to show what it was???? I still think the driver door and passenger door differences need better addressing??? No??? Ya, I think you're right. That "1" sure doesn't look like a factory stamp. Ditto the "7", although the one above it looks like a correct "7." Comparison w/the Hemi SuperBee on BAT right now (bottom pic):
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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08/07/23 09:33 PM
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IMHO, the original stamp is the one above it barely showing the last few digits.
Then, maybe in the 80s, someone decided to stamp it to "correct" the factory "mistake."
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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In regard to the above statement on the 1 looking like an I and the 7 I’m going to post a 71 hemi super bee block for reference with that same font. Also there are several cases where the factory hand stamped the vin on a block, and the gang stamp was not used I assume not to stall production when an issue came up. When you get into studying vin stamping several things make a difference, such as assembly plant, time frame of the build, ext. I have even seen some vins be stamp totally above the machine surface, into the raw casting area. Matt The comments on the Bat site State Dave Wise addressed this and states it’s a legit stamp. I worked on a Kenworth line for a few years and there were certainly times when SOP was deviated.
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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08/08/23 01:43 PM
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This block? Confused.... Bee or GTX? Restamped replacement? How many hemi blocks out there are stamped 1a171777 ??? In regard to the above statement on the 1 looking like an I and the 7 I’m going to post a 71 hemi super bee block for reference with that same font. Also there are several cases where the factory hand stamped the vin on a block, and the gang stamp was not used I assume not to stall production when an issue came up. When you get into studying vin stamping several things make a difference, such as assembly plant, time frame of the build, ext. I have even seen some vins be stamp totally above the machine surface, into the raw casting area. Matt
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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08/08/23 08:16 PM
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In regard to the above statement on the 1 looking like an I and the 7 I’m going to post a 71 hemi super bee block for reference with that same font. Also there are several cases where the factory hand stamped the vin on a block, and the gang stamp was not used I assume not to stall production when an issue came up. When you get into studying vin stamping several things make a difference, such as assembly plant, time frame of the build, ext. I have even seen some vins be stamp totally above the machine surface, into the raw casting area. Matt The comments on the Bat site State Dave Wise addressed this and states it’s a legit stamp. I worked on a Kenworth line for a few years and there were certainly times when SOP was deviated. I wish you still worked there. I have had KW trucks on order for well over a year and I am still waiting.
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT
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08/09/23 12:23 AM
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In regard to the above statement on the 1 looking like an I and the 7 I’m going to post a 71 hemi super bee block for reference with that same font. Also there are several cases where the factory hand stamped the vin on a block, and the gang stamp was not used I assume not to stall production when an issue came up. When you get into studying vin stamping several things make a difference, such as assembly plant, time frame of the build, ext. I have even seen some vins be stamp totally above the machine surface, into the raw casting area. Matt The problem with these ones that aren’t in a gang is you will always face questions when you sell. Somebody with a stamp kit, wild imagination, and copious amounts of time can spin up plausible scenarios all day long. You just never know if it will all unravel one day. What if a block shows up with your vin and what’s in the car is already supposed to be the original? Or maybe the next guy(s) won’t care anyway and it matters not. Contrast this cuda with the 70 hemi bee on BaT getting all the raves right now. The numbers thing is merely a line in the ad and then a couple pics. The buzz around the car is how awesome it is, and some super minor stuff like rivets are the only demerits. When the buyer decides to move on, next time will likely be the same. People are laser focused on the numbers on the cuda, instead of talking about what a great car it is. If you buy a car with a story to be believed, what would one expect when they decide it’s time to sell? Somebody a few posts back said it can be hard to understand why the big guns come out for a car, when it’s a no compromises purchase it makes sense.
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