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70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT - BS23R0B412027 #3165026
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Real nice car, would love to own it, but I question the VIN stamp on the engine as being authentic, compared to what I think is the original stamping on the transmission.
The '1' seems different for one. Also is the block date of December 69 in the correct 'build window' for a July built car? I'll let the experts weigh in.

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Edited to show VIN .
Also VIN as show on BaT BS23ROB412027




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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT [Re: MONC] #3165028
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Extremely nice. I would expect it reach $180k, maybe more.

Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3165034
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Looks to me like they didn't get a clear stamp on the engine pad and re-did the last six digits with body number stamps

BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: MONC] #3165060
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Re-stamped engine on BS23R0B412027 so the report is a hypocritical joke & was a waste of money, but it does offer some insight about the person that made it.

The engines and transmissions were both stamped right before going into the car with the same stamp set, so every font detail should match perfectly on a REAL matching numbers engine and transmission.

Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3165064
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Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Extremely nice. I would expect it reach $180k, maybe more.


Would you pay up that much for a restamped block? Not me!


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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT [Re: RoadRunnerLuva] #3165068
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Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT [Re: RoadRunnerLuva] #3165069
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Originally Posted by RoadRunnerLuva
Originally Posted by Pacnorthcuda
Extremely nice. I would expect it reach $180k, maybe more.


Would you pay up that much for a restamped block? Not me!


Did you read my post? Did you notice I responded before Barry stated it’s a restamp? I would still expect it to fetch serious money.

Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3165081
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I thought Dave wise was suppose to look for stamping in a gang as part of his numbers matching call??? Hmm.


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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: Alaskan_TA] #3165124
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Re-stamped engine on BS23R0B412027 so the report is a hypocritical joke & was a waste of money, but it does offer some insight about the person that made it.

The engines and transmissions were both stamped right before going into the car with the same stamp set, so every font detail should match perfectly on a REAL matching numbers engine and transmission.



Agree .
Edited title to show actual VIN.
BaT VIN shows a 'O' instead of an '0'


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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: MONC] #3165131
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BaT is filtering all comments about this car. I tried to post a simple post telling potential bidders to do their homework....they will not post the comment. Go ahead and try to post a comment. BaT has gone from something that used to be for the everyday guy to nothing but a money grab for the folks that own the organization. They will not post anything that might possibly detract from elevating the bids. Try to post something, even if very simple.


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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: oldjonny] #3165136
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Originally Posted by oldjonny
BaT is filtering all comments about this car. I tried to post a simple post telling potential bidders to do their homework....they will not post the comment. Go ahead and try to post a comment. BaT has gone from something that used to be for the everyday guy to nothing but a money grab for the folks that own the organization. They will not post anything that might possibly detract from elevating the bids. Try to post something, even if very simple.


Ebay used to have comments/inquires too.

IMHO, either have comments or not.

Filtering them for only the positive comments just gives false perception to buyers. Like everyone had their chance to put their two cents in; but really didn't.

Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: autoxcuda] #3165138
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Originally Posted by autoxcuda
Originally Posted by oldjonny
BaT is filtering all comments about this car. I tried to post a simple post telling potential bidders to do their homework....they will not post the comment. Go ahead and try to post a comment. BaT has gone from something that used to be for the everyday guy to nothing but a money grab for the folks that own the organization. They will not post anything that might possibly detract from elevating the bids. Try to post something, even if very simple.


Ebay used to have comments/inquires too.

IMHO, either have comments or not.

Filtering them for only the positive comments just gives false perception to buyers. Like everyone had their chance to put their two cents in; but really didn't.


Nothing I said was negative. I commented that it was a nice looking car. I just encouraged people to do their homework....whacked.


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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: oldjonny] #3165141
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Originally Posted by oldjonny
Originally Posted by autoxcuda
Originally Posted by oldjonny
BaT is filtering all comments about this car. I tried to post a simple post telling potential bidders to do their homework....they will not post the comment. Go ahead and try to post a comment. BaT has gone from something that used to be for the everyday guy to nothing but a money grab for the folks that own the organization. They will not post anything that might possibly detract from elevating the bids. Try to post something, even if very simple.


Ebay used to have comments/inquires too.

IMHO, either have comments or not.

Filtering them for only the positive comments just gives false perception to buyers. Like everyone had their chance to put their two cents in; but really didn't.


Nothing I said was negative. I commented that it was a nice looking car. I just encouraged people to do their homework....whacked.



I didn't think it was mean or disparaging. But just a hint to check things out... And they whacked it !! Geez.

Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: autoxcuda] #3165145
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Hey, can't have the truth interfering with the income stream...

Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: autoxcuda] #3165161
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Well hopefully, as this is a big ticket item vehicle , someone does their homework ( or has someone knowledgeable do their due diligence for them).


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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: MONC] #3165168
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Originally Posted by MONC
Originally Posted by Alaskan_TA
Re-stamped engine on BS23R0B412027 so the report is a hypocritical joke & was a waste of money, but it does offer some insight about the person that made it.

The engines and transmissions were both stamped right before going into the car with the same stamp set, so every font detail should match perfectly on a REAL matching numbers engine and transmission.



Agree .
Edited title to show actual VIN.
BaT VIN shows a 'O' instead of an '0'


Well there is no such thing as an "O" in the Chrysler stamp sets, only a "0"... work


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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: Rhinodart] #3165181
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I'd rather have a mis-stamped, no stamp block, and have a broadcast sheet and a #s matching fourspeed trans, than a original block car with no BS and an automatic.

Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: 2fast4yourBrain] #3165183
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Originally Posted by 2fast4yourBrain
I'd rather have a mis-stamped, no stamp block, and have a broadcast sheet and a #s matching fourspeed trans, than a original block car with no BS and an automatic.


As would I. Which brings up the question…if you were buying a 70 hemicuda 4 speed…how much more would you pay for original numbers matching motor car vs NOM?

I’ve owned 440 Cudas for over 30 years…could never justify the premium for a numbers car.

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Re: BS23R0B412027 with a restamped engine [Re: Pacnorthcuda] #3165189
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The engine is in the VIN. Nothing else is, which is why #s matching trans and a buildsheet are gold.

Re: 70 Hemi Cuda - F8 4spd - BaT - BS23R0B412027 [Re: MONC] #3165204
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your photos are not very good

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