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Anyone running a Holley Sniper EFI on an Edelbrock RPM? #3151833
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Hello, was looking at trying an Holley Sniper EFI on my 470 street combo. But Ive read mixed opinions on running one on a dual plane intake. Is anyone running this combo with success? I wanted to hear from someone who has actually tried this setup. thanks

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I believe Engine Masters did this test, IIRC Snioer doesn't like dual planes, at least not on a dyno. Some claim it was the wrong kind of intake, without specifying what the right kind of intake it should be.
Holley says it works fine. Others say if you remove the center divider it works on a dual plane.

Having dealt with their Projection garbage in the 90's I ain't gambling more money on Holley having their stuff in one sock and remembering to bring the sock too.

So i went Microsquirt.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
I believe Engine Masters did this test, IIRC Snioer doesn't like dual planes, at least not on a dyno. Some claim it was the wrong kind of intake, without specifying what the right kind of intake it should be.
Holley says it works fine. Others say if you remove the center divider it works on a dual plane.

Having dealt with their Projection garbage in the 90's I ain't gambling more money on Holley having their stuff in one sock and remembering to bring the sock too.

So i went Microsquirt.

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Re: Anyone running a Holley Sniper EFI on an Edelbrock RPM? [Re: 70VcodeCoronetRT] #3151921
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I wouldn't use the dual plane based on what the instruction said on both Sniper kit I installed on customers motors twocentswork


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Running it on my non-mopar. 69 Cyclone with 351W. It runs great. I will admit I didn't do the set up on it and unlike the instructions, it took several weeks for the guy to get it running right. I went with the complete holley setup including distro to avoid issues. Not sure if it created or caused delays but before I did this, tried running 2 carbs on the thing and it ran like crap with a dead zone from 2500-3200rpm.


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Originally Posted by klunick
Running it on my non-mopar. 69 Cyclone with 351W. It runs great. I will admit I didn't do the set up on it and unlike the instructions, it took several weeks for the guy to get it running right. I went with the complete holley setup including distro to avoid issues. Not sure if it created or caused delays but before I did this, tried running 2 carbs on the thing and it ran like crap with a dead zone from 2500-3200rpm.


But what kind of intake?

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I believe an open plenum single plane is what those Throttle body injection systems work better with.


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Originally Posted by 2boltmain
I believe an open plenum single plane is what those Throttle body injection systems work better with.
iagree
That is what all the tuners I've talk to say and advise up


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Have installed multiple Sniper Systems on Stock and aftermarket dual plane intakes with no issues. Not sure why there would be any? Mixing Air/fuel above the throttle plates just like a Carb. twocents


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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
Originally Posted by 2boltmain
I believe an open plenum single plane is what those Throttle body injection systems work better with.
iagree
That is what all the tuners I've talk to say and advise up

Shower thought:
Make an adapter, run 2 2bbl Snipers with 2 controllers so each only handles 4 cylinders.

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Vice grip garage put one on the mountain dew car on a dual plane intake on one of the recent episodes and seemed to run ok.

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I’m running a sniper on a 5.0 ford and a 350 sbc, both are on a duel plain intake with a one inch spacer. No issues. I also used sniper ing box, dist and coil on both builds.

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My thoughts on the dual plane versus the single plane intake is EFI ECU fuel management based off of one O2 sensor reading from one side of the exhaust system making the injectors pulse the same on both side of the throttle body when the high part of the intake needs a different amount of fuel than the lower part does at the same throttle position work shruggy
That shouldn't be a problem with a single plane intake twocents

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Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
My thoughts on the dual plane versus the single plane intake is EFI ECU fuel management based off of one O2 sensor reading from one side of the exhaust system making the injectors pulse the same on both side of the throttle body when the high part of the intake needs a different amount of fuel than the lower part does at the same throttle position work shruggy
That shouldn't be a problem with a single plane intake twocents


If that were so you'd think the carbed versions would be stagger jetted.

What I think is that the carb fuel delivery setup is directly tied to airflow thru the carb and, to an extent, it self adjusts side to side that way, at least enough to not be as serious an issue. Whereas EFI sniffs the consolidated output and cannot compensate for distribution issues, seen that on the dyno. 8 O2 sensors show serious AFR differences cylinder to cylinder, TBI or PFI.

That's why those claiming "it works" need to tell what intake they are running and if you're using a spacer. that mitigates the issue. The Weiand Stealth has been mooted as a working intake, internally the divider has a notch which mitigated it too.

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I'm running a sniper on a ld4b intake with a 1 inch phenolic spacer. It's worked really well.
The phenolic spacer also acts as an insulator.

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Originally Posted by skdmark
I'm running a sniper on a ld4b intake with a 1 inch phenolic spacer. It's worked really well.
The phenolic spacer also acts as an insulator.


Why would you need an insulator? It's a return system.

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Originally Posted by 70VcodeCoronetRT
Hello, was looking at trying an Holley Sniper EFI on my 470 street combo. But Ive read mixed opinions on running one on a dual plane intake. Is anyone running this combo with success? I wanted to hear from someone who has actually tried this setup. thanks


Yes, I ran a Sniper on a Performer RPM on my low deck 512 for a few years. It works fine. There are no issues with a Sniper on a dual plane intake. You can do all of the usual tricks for performance such as cutting down the divider or using a one inch spacer.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
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I'm running a sniper on a ld4b intake with a 1 inch phenolic spacer. It's worked really well.
The phenolic spacer also acts as an insulator.


Why would you need an insulator? It's a return system.



Insulate the ECU in the sniper from heat transfer.

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Originally Posted by skdmark
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I'm running a sniper on a ld4b intake with a 1 inch phenolic spacer. It's worked really well.
The phenolic spacer also acts as an insulator.


Why would you need an insulator? It's a return system.



Insulate the ECU in the sniper from heat transfer.


It isn't needed for fuel control since the fuel is at 60 psi inside the Sniper. Gas doesn't boil at 60 psi so vapor locking is not an issue. There might be a small performance gain by having the throttle body cooler but most likely isn't isn't noticeable. Keeping the ECU cooler might be a good idea in the long run since heat will shorten the life of the electrical components.

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Originally Posted by Sniper
Originally Posted by Cab_Burge
My thoughts on the dual plane versus the single plane intake is EFI ECU fuel management based off of one O2 sensor reading from one side of the exhaust system making the injectors pulse the same on both side of the throttle body when the high part of the intake needs a different amount of fuel than the lower part does at the same throttle position work shruggy
That shouldn't be a problem with a single plane intake twocents


If that were so you'd think the carbed versions would be stagger jetted.

What I think is that the carb fuel delivery setup is directly tied to airflow thru the carb and, to an extent, it self adjusts side to side that way, at least enough to not be as serious an issue. Whereas EFI sniffs the consolidated output and cannot compensate for distribution issues, seen that on the dyno. 8 O2 sensors show serious AFR differences cylinder to cylinder, TBI or PFI.

That's why those claiming "it works" need to tell what intake they are running and if you're using a spacer. that mitigates the issue. The Weiand Stealth has been mooted as a working intake, internally the divider has a notch which mitigated it too.


I'm trying to understand this. Single plane has the most even air and fuel distribution, right? Dual plane can do ok with a carb because less air brings in less fuel with it is what I'm hearing. This would make me believe the TBI would work fine with a dual plane, too. Now with PFI, if a cylinder gets less air than another, since the injectors are near the intake valves, and they all fire with the same duty cycle, they would all get the same amount of fuel, causing uneven air/fuel ratios. What am I missing?

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