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Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: moparx] #3092111
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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092158
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Brad... were you planning to run an air pan with that hood?

Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: racerx] #3092199
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Originally Posted by racerx
Brad... were you planning to run an air pan with that hood?

Yep

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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092218
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Originally Posted by Brad_Haak
Originally Posted by racerx
Brad... were you planning to run an air pan with that hood?

Yep

Keep this updated if possible been trying to figure out a design for mine, but my intake sits to high work

Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: racerx] #3092227
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Gonna make a new one the same way I did one before:
- find a drop-style air cleaner base that lowers the filter surface below the surface of the hood
- cut out a cardboard template that matches the underside of the hood that you want to seal off
- cut out an opening in the template where the air cleaner base will mount
- get a sheet of thin luan (?) wood and cut to match cardboard template
- pop-rivet or screw air cleaner base to wood sealing plate
- get some fire-resistant foam (I use what Moroso sells)
- it requires trial & error test fittings to determine how much foam to glue on perimeter of sealing plate

If you have room for an air filter, installing the complete filter housing holds the sealing plate in place

Otherwise, the hood itself when closed may hold it in position; that's how my last one worked


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092233
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Here's the one for this hood...

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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092239
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I'm expecting the Braswell base on the right will lower the plate enough to use w/ this head & intake combo that pushes the carb mounting surface up even more than before. Since I have only 4150 carbs, I've probably got more options for air cleaner configurations.

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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092293
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What intake you use? That wood looks kind of thick.

Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: racerx] #3092309
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Originally Posted by racerx
What intake you use? That wood looks kind of thick.

The wood is only ~ .200" thick, yet still does a good job of isolating heat from the carb. You can put your hand on the hood when the engine's been running and feel a noticeable temp diff between the hood exposed to under-hood heat and the hood isolated by the sealing pan.

I have a Trick Flow intake on top of Victor heads, so a tall intake w/ raised intake ports shifts the carb up quite a bit.

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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3092312
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Roger that up....Thx you up

Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: racerx] #3093025
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Anyone have any thoughts or experience with knowing what happens when your hood scoop is too big? Does it jack with your tune, or...? Thx


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3093065
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Originally Posted by Brad_Haak
Anyone have any thoughts or experience with knowing what happens when your hood scoop is too big? Does it jack with your tune, or...? Thx

After further digging into the subject... I guess this will be "interesting" to figure out on my own

Long story short is that scoop opening is waaaaaayyyyy too freakin' big IMO, but it is what it is


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3093069
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It is big, but it isn't THAT tall. Not way up in the "good" air so to speak. Although the 6 pack hood I used to have on my car was worth a tenth to a tenth and a half when it was sealed to the carb. So they do work even when they're kinda short.


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I saw the same amount of improvement from sealing the stock T/A scoop setup vs running the scoop w/o a fresh-air plate

As far as the scoop being "too big", I'm not the first -- or only -- person to run a Big-N-Ugly one. VFN doesn't offer this style any longer (not on their web site now), but "340Rick" had theirs on his Chally. Not identical, but still pretty close.

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2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
Re: Rumors re MoPig progress may be true [Re: Brad_Haak] #3093218
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While you are fabbing up your air pan. Is it possible to maybe leave enough area to build some sort of dam to slow the air down


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Originally Posted by 67mprfan
While you are fabbing up your air pan. Is it possible to maybe leave enough area to build some sort of dam to slow the air down

I have a couple of ideas on things I may need to try out, including plugging off one half of the scoop, air "baffles" (like you mentioned), spring-loaded trap doors to allow some amount of excess airflow to vent... work


2021 Challenger 6.4L Scat Pack 1320
100% stock: 1.680, 11.894 at 113.75 (DA 175 ft)
weight reduction, wheels, tires, Hellcat air box: 1.661, 11.686 at 115.97 (DA 710 ft)

1973 Challenger 452 ci street/strip [2008]
pump gas, DOT radials: 1.454, 10.523 at 126.44 (DA 514 ft)
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If the scoop is sealed to the hood then I would imagine it would build pressure and maybe not be as turbulent as it would be if there was no pan or sealing to the hood. I know some EFI guys I follow have noted positive manifold pressure with those lexan scoops.


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I remember years ago Thumper had mention something about adding release holes in the back of his hood scoop to release turbulence to his carbs. It made sense. I put hole in the rear of my hood to release under hood pressure because I had pressure building on the top end where the hood would stress crack.

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Lexan scoops are an issue, they simply don't have enough volume in that small space, so yes they need to be vented. A properly sized scoop for the engines needs does NOT need to be vented in any way. There are anumber of sources out there to help determine what sixe your engine actually NEEDS.

Here is just one article on the subject but its not difficult to calculate the volume needed

https://www.enginelabs.com/engine-t...p-speed-with-a-forward-facing-air-inlet/


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