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Re: Fusible Link
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You have a short somewhere. The way to check the amp meter is pull the instrutment cluste and look at the wiring going to the meter to see if there is any sign of overheat. Be sure to disconnect the battery before pulling the cluster. Didn't you say you added a temp gauge recently? If so I would start6 with that and see if the light wires are hooked up correctly. Do the wies get hot before you turn on the key?
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 02:24 PM
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fusible link is most likely blown now. Unfortunately it appears you may have a short before the fuse box. First thing is check for burned wires to start. Disconnect anything you recently put on electrically on the car. You may have installed them incorrectly. Are you using the rated fuses in the fuse box? Using the incorrect fuse will cause problems if the system is overloaded. Since the problem occurred when you had the headlights on, I would look into that circuit. Unplug the connecter at the headlight switch and take a look at it. Look under the carpet at the high beam switch as well they like to get fried there. Follow the wires that are in the headlight circuit to see if there are any burned or melted wires. Download the wiring diagram for your year car. http://www.mymopar.com/index.php?pid=24
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 02:29 PM
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Nah the new fusible link is still working i checked it and its still putting out 11-12 volts. Also i did remove the power line for the new temp gauge and as for the fuses in the box they are the ones that were in the car when i got it about 3 years ago. This is the alternator i am using
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Re: Fusible Link
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oh remove the link, for some reason I have to scroll back and forth just to read this page now. Very hard to read this way. The link does not work anyways.
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Re: Fusible Link
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If you feel you are not cannot handle it, don't mess with it. Electrical can be overwhelming for some. Just because you have the tools does not mean you should mess with it.
Patience is the hardest thing to have when learning anything new.
Looking at a wire diagram can many lost. Break it down one circuit at a time.
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 04:21 PM
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I was refering to the post. Maybe it is just me who has to scroll left and right to read this post now.
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 04:23 PM
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I am still getting 12volts through it to the bulkhead.
After removing the line to the alternator? but the question is it still smoking?
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 04:29 PM
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Check the dimmer switch.The one on the Dart we had was corroded and shorting dead to ground.Id suggest looking for melted wires also.Rocky
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 04:36 PM
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I colored some wires for you that are hot when the key is off. The dark blue wire is your fusible link. Notice the headlight circuit is hot. Notice also the dome light and cig lighter is also hot after the fuse. Make sure this has the correct fuse.   Check all the wires colored here as well as the wires for the headlights Especially the dimmer switch
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Re: Fusible Link
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Nah the new fusible link is still working i checked it and its still putting out 11-12 volts. Also i did remove the power line for the new temp gauge and as for the fuses in the box they are the ones that were in the car when i got it about 3 years ago. This is the alternator i am using <Please please please remove this portion of the link you posted!>
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 06:44 PM
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Snoopy's turn please. Its all good 
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 06:50 PM
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Not nec, could require the total load, maybe, notice that the wire is discounected to the alternator when you remove the second plug. So it is possible it is alternator. Reconnect everything but remove the connection to the alternator. After you figure everything put a new end onto the fusible link. it will hold better with the correct terminal. 
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/01/09 10:32 PM
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you might grab an inline fuse holder at your parts house for a buck or 2 ,the kind w a pigtail on each end & add 2 alligator clips a large one & a small one & disconnect either batt cable at the battery & put this in series with a 20 or 30 amp glass fuse to protect your baby until you get this sorted out & it might take a 5 pack(or more) but smoking wires is a no no. A circuit breaker would be even better(dont know which type).
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/03/09 11:31 AM
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Hey guys well i took your advice and checked the alternator before doing anything else and it turns out that the fuel line was actually touching the main bolt on alternator and causing it to short out  so i bent it back a little and she works fine. But now i am not getting any spark  . I checked the volts to the + side of the coil and its a steady 6.2 but i read it should have 8 ? When this shorted out could it have damaged the coil or ecu? (btw i did the coil spark test and i am not seeing the spark jump across the gap like it should and the ballast has already been replaced)
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/05/09 09:13 PM
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take the coil negative primary wire off the coil terminal & set it aside(dont let it touch anything). key on, eng off. With a jumper w 2 alligator clips jump from this(coil pri) terminal to ground like morse code & see if you have spark from the coil secondary wire held 1/4" from ground. that's the coil check.In this case not likely dist pickup but if you have a spare dist plug it in(key on,eng off) & spin it by hand & see if you have sparks. this checks the dist pickup. the ECU, you can have your parts house check it but it really needs to be hot for a valid test so If you have another you could sub it in the check the ECU.
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/07/09 10:44 PM
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did you make it with key in RUN ? Ballast good ? Is ECU getting 12 volts at blue traced yellow wire ?
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/08/09 09:09 AM
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On the ECU conector the "point" of the pentastar is the 12V feed. On the coil jump 12V to the positive pri terminal(from the batt) & jump the neg pri terminal to ground repeatedly as previously described & see if the coil wire(1/4" from ground sparks). Only have full 12V jumped to it(the coil positive pri) just long enough to do this test(a few seconds).
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Re: Fusible Link
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If you disconnected the orig coil neg pri wire for the test before you added the jumper then yes the coil is deceased. the ECU is supposed to default the above circuit in the "open" position but we cannot assume anything.
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Re: Fusible Link
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05/08/09 03:58 PM
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Corey- I'm not ignoring you. I want you to listen to one person at a time. Hopefully by doing this it will not confuse you anymore than you are.
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Re: Fusible Link
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Are you getting voltage during cranking or just when the key is on?
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Re: Fusible Link
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12V to coil primary terminal(for several seconds only).jumper from coil primary negative terminal to ground(make/break like morse code) with the orig wire from this terminal to the ECU disconnected. Coil secondary wire plugged solidly into coil center & other end held 1/4" from ground. Not being patronizing but keeping it simple in this time of need.
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Re: Fusible Link
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Sorry if you were here it, I'd isolate the system, jumper the nec. wires and go from there to get it started, then back track whatever is nec. What is simple for me is not nec. so for you.
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Re: Fusible Link
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Doing what Robert says will diagnose what is the problem if it is in the ignition system. You do want to make sure if the ignition system is working.
I'm just wondering if you are disconnecting any wires when you are 'bench testing' the system.
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Re: Fusible Link
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I am gonna jump in here a lil late but need to ask, I am having overheated wiring probs as well and when I disconnect the main bat feed from the alt the sparks and melting stop.
Does this mean my alt is the short?
I hope so because they are a lot easier to swap out.
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Re: Fusible Link
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06/14/09 09:45 PM
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Okay i just tried what Robert said again and still no spark.I hear a popping or clicking noise though (from where i cant be sure right now since its just me, but its from somewhere in the engine bay) when ever i turn off the key from the 'on' position, mean anything to ya?
You need a helper. I can see not wanting to leave it on when you are by yourself.
I would say you could just leave the battery dummy hooked and run out there yourself in a pinch. Do the key through the window and be quick about it.
I had a bad VR that made a sound like a clicking one time. It would work and then click off and then click on again, even with a good ground.
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