Re: Webers on a blower?
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Draw through (above the blower), or blow through (carburetors on the engine)?
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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Draw through (above the blower), or blow through (carburetors on the engine)? it is going to be awfully hard to blow through any carb with a Roots type supercharger, correct?
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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IMHO yes, just wanted clarity. If draw through, it can idle on 1 bbl. and synchronization isn't needed.
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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I remember hearing that the IDS is a better carb than the IDA for blower use. The IDS has a high speed enrichment circuit where the IDA tends to go lean at high rpm...could be death with a blower.
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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01/20/21 11:36 AM
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IMHO yes, just wanted clarity. If draw through, it can idle on 1 bbl. and synchronization isn't needed. Yea, I waiting for an explanation on the implied importance of carb sync in this application. maybe just an oversight?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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What is the total CFM of these carbs and what is the intended use? That's the neat thing about Webers, they have a removable "choke" (venturi), allowing it to be instantly converted from a large-CFM carburetor to one of small CFM, or vice-versa. The basic carb number (48) is the throttle blade diameter in millimeters.
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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The internal tuning parts are going to be $$$$$
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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This is way above my pay grade, but isn't this blower (rotating Roots) more partial to some side to side differential airflow anyway, and likely changes that un-evenness based on the RPM?
Reality check, that half the population is smarter then 50% of the people and it's a constantly contested fact.
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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We need pictures of this rig!
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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Synchronized vs. sequential vs. progressive makes no difference. All of the mixture is going to the same place regardless of which/how many carburetors are open how much: the extreme front of the rotors, just behind the drive gears. Very little reaches the rear 4 cylinders.
Maybe it was removed because no one knew how to jet them?
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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What is the intended use?? Street or drag? My un-experienced (webber wise) would be cool conversation generator at a car show/cruise nite... PIA in competition conditions.Not saying don't think out side the box but if these were worth anything but conversation starters they would be more prevalent at the track. They would look cool on an old Gasser/Nostalgia drag car that's for sure!
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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IMHO a Weber expert in NA engines isn't going to be much help without blower experience. Webers are designed to be run as IR: one bbl. feeds one intake port with almost no plenum volume separating the intake valve from the venturi. This is why the CFM of one bbl. is not 1/8 of the total displacement air flow. I've never seen 4 X 2 Webers on a blower. The vacuum signal from the GMC is completely unlike any NA engine. Important: a small blower, or one turning too slowly, will still have vacuum at light throttle. A large blower will have boost very quickly, so the power system (where that is in a Weber?) will come on at different RPM and throttle positions depending on how large vs. how fast it's driven. I may have something on my site here: http://victorylibrary.com/mopar/blower/blower-carb6.htm
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Re: Webers on a blower?
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Yes, the signal that the Webers would get from a blower are not going to be the same as they would in an IR application. I think the Webers will work on a blower in a street rod application but I doubt they'll work well enough to go racing. A person should be able to figure it out with a few phone calls to the right folks. OP could start by calling these guys who sell a quad IDF for blowers: https://jiminglese.com/supercharger-carburetion
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