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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Jeepmon]
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04/10/09 02:12 PM
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: WILD BILL]
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04/10/09 04:09 PM
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Yep, that's the name of the game. Cross the finish line first without breaking out or redlighting. ** not that I actually have any experience doing the above. 
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Jeepmon]
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04/10/09 04:35 PM
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...but it is more complicated because people play games, like push or lead you till just before the finish, then dump you allowing you to take the stripe anticipating that you will break out!
Some know their cars so well that they know where they are and where they should be through the run. Everything is planned out. Some can dump, some can actually close it up to LESS than a hundredth. People who do play games usually prefer a faster car because they can see the slower car at all times and it's easier to judge what to do at the finish.
Regardless of whether you race all-out to run your dial, sandbag, play games or whatever, you have to be consistent and know how your car's ET is affected by shift points, weather, wind, temps, braking at a certain point on the track, etc. It also helps to have an idea of how your opponent races and what he/she dials in relationship to what they run. Attentive pit crew and an asset.
To expand on what Lil Demon said, some people use the natural long nose or spoiler of their car and/or run soft shocks to dip the nose when braking at the right time to trip the beams also.
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
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04/10/09 04:35 PM
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Keep your foot in it..letting off or applying the brakes on the topend is the way SISSY race...and is not acceptable by many racers.. 
Guess you dont bracket race..... I must be a SISSY
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
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04/10/09 04:36 PM
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Keep your foot in it..letting off or applying the brakes on the topend is the way SISSY race...and is not acceptable by many racers..
i would have lost a ton of rounds if i did that
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
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04/10/09 04:47 PM
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Keep your foot in it..letting off or applying the brakes on the topend is the way SISSY race...and is not acceptable by many racers..
In class and bracket racing, it is a legal option that many racers do. They take advantage of anything that will help them win races and the rest of the racers simply have to deal with it. Best way to deal with it is to get yourself and the car more consistent and predictable.
However, excessive braking is usually frowned upon and tire smoke at the finish line can lead to a disqualification.
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: rickstershemi]
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04/10/09 06:55 PM
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heres a u tube video of my car which is dialed in very good that day, mu opponent i knew was running quicker than his dial in, he was banking on me cutting a bad light or redlighting, so i ran my best, im the blue dodge on the left. watch the left car 63 plymouths dial in and et at the stripe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sn3zGG_aQ
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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Keep your foot in it..letting off or applying the brakes on the topend is the way SISSY race...and is not acceptable by many racers..
Guess you dont bracket race..... I must be a SISSY
As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes 
That right keep my foot in it all the way... 
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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04/10/09 07:34 PM
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I know a lot of guys play the games but I say dial the car and run it out the back and because of that I most likely wont go many rounds LOL
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
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04/10/09 07:44 PM
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes
That right keep my foot in it all the way...
I guess you've never been way out front coming near
the finish line, I always let off if the other guy
is cars back... that way I dont break out
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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04/10/09 08:16 PM
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes
That right keep my foot in it all the way...
I guess you've never been way out front coming near
the finish line, I always let off if the other guy
is cars back... that way I dont break out
Yep, if I had looked back at the ProAm I'd have a sweet Ironman sitting in the display case...not to mention a couple of xtra G's in the wallet... 
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
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04/10/09 09:37 PM
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Keep your foot in it..letting off or applying the brakes on the topend is the way SISSY race...and is not acceptable by many racers..
Guess you dont bracket race..... I must be a SISSY
As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
yea and how many races have you ever won?
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Quicktree]
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04/10/09 09:46 PM
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Don,Well I know you know my feeling on the subject. In a car like yours running in Pro you can get some pretty significant ET differences. Everybody does it there own way. I am not a big ET holder, we try to dial the car hard and the figure out what to do at the other end. I have an advantage sometimes of being the faster car but not so often around here at Infineon particlarly, lots of fast pipe racks for sure. Liek already stated you gotta know your car and what it can do, you gotta hit the tree consistently and you have to trust the car and your dial..
Good luck, BTW you gonna be out there tomorrow?
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Quicktree]
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04/10/09 09:48 PM
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yea and how many races have you ever won?
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Leigh]
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04/10/09 10:11 PM
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One of the hardest things for me to get over was GIVING the stripe away. I learned after breaking out enough that you dont ALWAYS want it.
"I am not ashamed to confess I am ignorant of what I do not know."
"It's never wrong to do the right thing"
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Leigh]
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04/10/09 10:32 PM
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you better learn to play the topend .Beating a car to the strip and not lifting breakout by a thousandth will eat at you.If you drill the tree and he doesn't you'll be beat.
I've watch racers never look around and the other guys car died on the starting line then restart it and the dude broke out,he never looked back.Bracket racing is more than most think that it is.
Knowing how much et, mph you have then you scrub off just lifting its less with a faster car.
What about the other guy going through the traps first by a car you should lift not to take the chance of you breaking out.
don
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Al_Alguire]
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04/10/09 10:48 PM
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Thanks guys for your advice.. it will all be taken in..
What prompted me to ask this question was one of the races at MATS in Vegas last month.. My opponent was a very skilled racer and a true veteran of the sport..
I dont remember the specifics, but I dialed in a slightly faster time than he did.. Mine was an 11.48 to his 11.61.
At the tree, I got a jump on him by having a better light.. I think it was a .03x to his .07x... Within the first 100 feet or so, I caught him and took a slight lead.. By half track, I had a full car length on himm but he started to pull on me..
At the MPH lights, I knew he wasnt going to catch me, so because of being a rookie racer and because of everyones advice, I tapped the brakes lightly as we crossed the finish line.. As we crossed, his front bumper was even with my car doors, so there was no doubt I crossed the line first...
I got the win light, but when studying the time slip, something seemed funny to me..
I dialed in 11.48 and ran an 11.56
He dialed in 11.61 and ran 11.67
I had a .04 advantage at the tree..
He came closer to his dial in by .02... which by my math means the MOV should have been .02-ish in my favor.. yet according to the time slip.. it was an MOV of .0017
Does this make sense to anyone?
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Jeepmon]
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04/10/09 11:27 PM
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Thanks guys for your advice.. it will all be taken in..
What prompted me to ask this question was one of the races at MATS in Vegas last month.. My opponent was a very skilled racer and a true veteran of the sport..
I dont remember the specifics, but I dialed in a slightly faster time than he did.. Mine was an 11.48 to his 11.61.
At the tree, I got a jump on him by having a better light.. I think it was a .03x to his .07x... Within the first 100 feet or so, I caught him and took a slight lead.. By half track, I had a full car length on himm but he started to pull on me..
At the MPH lights, I knew he wasnt going to catch me, so because of being a rookie racer and because of everyones advice, I tapped the brakes lightly as we crossed the finish line.. As we crossed, his front bumper was even with my car doors, so there was no doubt I crossed the line first...
I got the win light, but when studying the time slip, something seemed funny to me..
I dialed in 11.48 and ran an 11.56
He dialed in 11.61 and ran 11.67
I had a .04 advantage at the tree..
He came closer to his dial in by .02... which by my math means the MOV should have been .02-ish in my favor.. yet according to the time slip.. it was an MOV of .0017
Does this make sense to anyone?
you have to take the lights into that equation
If you were 40 better to his lightthats why you were able to lift that much .But watch lifting to hard because the other car might not be scrubbing any mph off and come around you.
don
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: 10 o to go]
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04/11/09 03:53 AM
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you better learn to play the topend .Beating a car to the strip and not lifting breakout by a thousandth will eat at you.If you drill the tree and he doesn't you'll be beat.
I've watch racers never look around and the other guys car died on the starting line then restart it and the dude broke out,he never looked back.Bracket racing is more than most think that it is.
Knowing how much et, mph you have then you scrub off just lifting its less with a faster car.
What about the other guy going through the traps first by a car you should lift not to take the chance of you breaking out.
don
exactly .
I know when ive cut a sh4t light , i can feel it. at that point its a quick decision at the stripe . dump the other guy can work......sometimes.....
However, a lot of times you think you hit the light hard and you get the dam timeslip and its a .075 or something... 
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Chassisman]
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04/11/09 05:57 AM
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Here is an example of last week in Vegas 2nd round Super Street... 11.05 index Close racing. Dwight has a stripe taker..  (W) Dwight Downing S/ST 11.05 0.034 11.054 0.004 (L) Gary Thompson S/ST 11.05 0.034 11.048 -0.002 Chris..
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: MR_P_BODY]
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04/11/09 08:14 AM
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Keep your foot in it..letting off or applying the brakes on the topend is the way SISSY race...and is not acceptable by many racers..
Guess you dont bracket race..... I must be a SISSY
I hold a few numbers (not a bunch) I like to know I am covered should the car spin... I have a brake pedal and can slow the car down, but nothing to make it go fast should I loose et at the launch.
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: Leigh]
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04/11/09 09:21 AM
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Isn't it stange, how many racers are "Holder's"?
I wouldn't recommend holding anything. Dial what you think it will run. But you still have to drive the finish line. If you are dialed tight, any little thing can cause a break out (wind, pressure increase, temp drop while you are in the staging lanes, etc).
I never hold. I either dial exactly what I think, or give 0.01 safe. ie I think it will run 9.157, so I dial 9.15. If I think it will run 9.152 I can dial safe at 9.14
And IMO, when the two cars differ by 25 mph or more, it is hard to judge no matter which car is yours.
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
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04/11/09 09:44 AM
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes
That right keep my foot in it all the way...
Ooo Ooo I'll take that guy in the first round!!! 
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: dizuster]
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04/11/09 11:43 AM
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes
That right keep my foot in it all the way...
Ooo Ooo I'll take that guy in the first round!!!
thats about the only round you will find him unless they have buy backs
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: dizuster]
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes
That right keep my foot in it all the way...
Ooo Ooo I'll take that guy in the first round!!!
Quack Quack 
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: TMP66]
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04/11/09 03:58 PM
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I agree with a lot of the responses here. It's a constant battle to play in your head before hitting the tree. I feel that if you dial what you think the car will run, minus .01 (example, car will run 10.98, dial 10.97.) you should be safe. If I cut a good light, I'm usually in good shape. I start looking over my shoulder before getting in high gear (I'm usually the slower car which I feel adds more of an advantage due to consistency). I will very rarely touch the brake pedal, as I feel I do not have to. If I lift gradually I can usually scrub some ET and stay safe doing it. By finding your competitor early in the run, you can do a constant evaluation on where they are compared to you. You need to keep looking back toward the finish line to make sure you are going straight, hitting your shift points, and looking for the stripe.
Being a machine, the car will do the same thing over and over again if all the conditions are the same. If your launch RPM is the same, shift point is the same, tire pressure is the same, engine temp is the same, and the car doesn't spin/bog/break, and the weather doesn't change, and noone spills fluid in your lane... it should run the same number over and over. There have been plenty of rounds where something above didn't happen the right way. If that happens, you KNOW you aren't going to run the number...So keep it to the wood and hope they break out.
Also don't be afraid to keep it to the wood if you feel it is going to bee too close to call. I heard an old drag racer say once..."I'd rather lose than lift". I think that he meant somewhat of a slam on bracket racing, but it holds true for the scenario above.
Take that for what it's worth. I am by no means good at the sport, but I believe in the program. The old "Bracket Racer Magazine" had great tips on index racing. If you get a chance the "Mr Dirt" series is especially good.
The biggest aid to a bracket racer's off-season regimen (to me anyway) is the use of a practice tree. You can run thousands of runs at night, in the rain, in the snow...whatever using a practice tree. Who wouldn't want to improve their chances on race day by buying a little device to put in the corner of the garage. I'll hit it while walking by over and over. They help more than anything else I have ever used, yet I hear of more racers that don't use one than I hear racer's that do. I guess that's better for us and maybe I shouldn't say it on here.
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Re: A "Racing to the stripe" question
[Re: TMP66]
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As a matter of fact i do bracket race...
And you never let off the pedal or hit the brakes
That right keep my foot in it all the way...
Ooo Ooo I'll take that guy in the first round!!!
Quack Quack
Now that is funny...LMAO....
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