Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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286 heads are kinda frail....... so I can’t see myself getting too excited about those in that application.
Are the replacement 518’s legal?
My suspicion is that the really sharp SB guys could probably get the W2’s to be as good or better than the typical ported MW heads.
What’s the block rule?
What heads are legal for the Chevies and Fords?
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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I would think a 650 horse deal wouldnt be out of the realm of possibility with well done W2 heads and the associated goodies( roller, compression, etc) Not sure what a big block could make....
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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What can the other SB combos run for heads? Dart iron heads? Any cc limitations? Valve angle rule?
What’s the intake manifold rule? Cam rule? Carb rule? Compression rule? Fuel rule?
I think a 434 Ford with Cleveland 4bbl heads would be a good SB combo........ if you could find heads that weren’t already used up.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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It ain't hard to make 725 to 775 HP on pump swill,850+ on race gas, with the right parts in a BB The big deal is getting a stock block to live at 8000 + RPM at WOT for more than 15 seconds On your deal a good 400 block is the only one I would consider using if you decide to build a BB
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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They have to be cast iron heads is all. There is one small block Chevy that has darts on it. Not sure which ones they are. Everything else is big block. Any intake as long as it is cast and mass produced. No sheet metal intakes. Any camshaft and carb allowed other than a stretched dominator. I can run a normal 4500 tho. I do have a 400 block In tho shop. Any race gas is allowed other than alcohol
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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Running a Mopar with those rules is definitely going at it the hard way.
Is the Ritter block legal for a SB?
You know they don’t make w2’s anymore, right? So you’re looking at used, or some NOS someone might have on the shelf.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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Might be worth a call to Kent to see if he has any connections for porting those w2’s.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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Chad Speier out in Ft. Hays, KS ported a local guy's cast iron W2's. With a 340 block stroked to 418 he is making an easy 600 HP on pump gas.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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Who to go for porting W2s is a tough one, most people don't want to mess with Iron heads these days. Mine were done by Ryan and he said they would support 700HP. I am in the area of 600 now with low(10:1) 91 octane compression.
I had a local cylinder head guy freshen up the Valve Job last winter and he liked and was impressed by the work Ryan had done, its too bad that whole deal went south.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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600-650hp from W2’s on a high compression stroker shouldn’t be that hard at all.
If it’s a pretty serious class........ I doubt that would be competitive though.
With all the stuff that’s available for SB and BB Chevies........ you should be able to build one of those that makes another 100hp....... just by shopping in the Summit catalog.
700-750hp from a 286 head or some W2’s is gonna take some work.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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I’m not really a SB guy, but with those rules...... I’d build the w2/Ritter SB before I went with 286 heads on a stock block.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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Trying to get a handle on this. Bigblock's can't run the Indy cast iron 440-1 head but Smallblocks can run the cast iron W-2's?! Call this guy: https://speierracingheads.com/index.htmlHe posts a lot of stuff in the Yellowbullet naturally aspirated tech section.
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Re: Max wedge big block vs w2 small block
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Yup big blocks must run factory castings. Small blocks can run aftermarket. Hemis are allowed for the big block but I don’t have the budget to do that. It’s supposed to be more of a budget minded class whereas the pro stock is a higher dollar class. We already get accused of cheating enough with the pro stock ford I help with. If the dodge runs good in its class I don’t want to hear about it.
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