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Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? #2638469
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This is the street engine I am putting in the '93 Daytona I bought this year.
496 CID, 10.3 CR, unported 906 heads, M1 dominator intake, roller cam.
Not my design or build, but it was new and priced right. Bracket racing...

Dyno results yesterday:
571 lb-ft at 4700-4900 rpm
569 hp at 5600-5800 rpm

Car should be about 2730 pounds race ready.
What do you think it will run? 1/8 mile tracks around here...

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1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638474
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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638476
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6.30-6.40s in the 1/8th if everything is sorted out.

Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638485
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“In theory”...... about 6.20.

Just shows that cubes and a big cam can only take you so far when the intake flow is limited.
The tq number is really low for a 4.25 stroke(496 = 383 block +.060 with a 4.25 crank?)........ perhaps the cranking pressure is really just too low for the cam duration.

Seems like a set of TF270’s and a big intake would be worth about 100hp.


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I can't say exactly, but I'm sure with your knowledge, it will be an overachiever. Good luck with it Jim!


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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638516
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Should be fast enough to have some fun. When you want to step it up just buy some Trick Flow heads and unleash the beast.......

Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: AndyF] #2638544
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Car is a lot heavier than I figured it would be.


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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: AndyF] #2638545
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This is an RB block, 4.15 Eagle crank, 4.36 bore engine (sheet says 4.363)

The weight-power equation I use for guessing shows 9.85 in the quarter mile, and 6.25 in the eighth.
With a powerglide and that torque number, I don't know how close that will be.
I also don't have any other engine dyno curves to compare, just using the peak HP number in the calculation.

This car was setup with a powerglide, and since it came with the shifter, driveshaft, trans crossmember, etc; I am going to buy a PG for it also. I decided to dyno the new build since I had no idea what power it would make, and wanted something to give the torque converter manufacturer to build one for me.

The engine only changed small amounts with spark advance changes, carb swap, jet changes, and carb spacers. That last run with adding the 1/2 open spacer under the 4 hole tapered 1", was the biggest change. It added 6 hp at peak, and about 10 at each rpm past peak. It also leaned the oxygen sensor reading from 11.7 to 12.5. The carb O2 was always pretty constant from 4000- 6400, but was amazing constant with that carb spacer combo. Basically 12.5 below torque peak, 12.4 around peak torque, and back to 12.5 approaching peak HP and higher.

Those heads must be a real restriction. And maybe that is why the engine was so insensitive to changes.?


Last edited by 440Jim; 03/29/19 05:28 PM. Reason: added jet changes, small impact

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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: Al_Alguire] #2638547
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Originally Posted by Al_Alguire
Car is a lot heavier than I figured it would be.

I haven't weighed it yet, that is what the previous owner told me.
It has the factory steel doors, steel hatchback, rear bumper, factory dash (nice), etc. One of the heavier Daytona chassis cars I looked at.
But I liked the workmanship, all round tube, and even the paint scheme!

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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: AndyF] #2638549
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Originally Posted by AndyF
Should be fast enough to have some fun. When you want to step it up just buy some Trick Flow heads and unleash the beast.......


If I get bored with the track performance, the short block is a good starting point with crank, rods, pistons. Take off the 88cc heads, put some decent flowing aluminum 72cc heads, and presto... 12 CR. Even leave the cam alone.


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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638550
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with a 3-speed proper working converter, 5.98 1/8 9.59-142mph 1/4

I just read that was a PG.....+.10 in the 1/8 at least

Last edited by Harry's Taxi 2; 03/29/19 05:15 PM. Reason: just read that it was power glide

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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638552
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9.70. Optimize the gear for 1/8 mile and you might sneak it into the 5s on a good day.

4 link?

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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: CMcAllister] #2638559
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With unported 906 heads, I will guess 10.10. Just a guess, lots of unknowns. Elevation etc. Just have fun !!!!!

Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638561
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I have a buddy with a daytona and it weighed 2140 i believe{not sure if it was with the driver}. Where did you get it dynoed? Also it will be very hard to get that good air that you had in Maryland. Jim you know it won't be long until you make some changes and put power in that thing! lol

Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: tjmarcus1] #2638599
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had and 85 tube chassis Daytona with iron headed 451 .625 comp roller 850 carb 727 5500 stall converter 4.86 gear weighed 2400 with me in it best 1/4 9.80 142 best 1/8 6.30 110 60ft 1.36 14x32 tire leaving at 3400 on brake

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Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2638687
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I'm going to guess between 6.15 up to 6.30 in the 1/8 mile at or above 110 MPH luck up


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It is a full round tube chasis car.

4-link, with Ford 9" style rear (Strange center section), 4.56 gears and 33x15-15 slicks.
It was Dyno tested at Nesbitt Racing Engines near Burlington, NC.
They mentioned they have a bigger power absorber on their dyno since mostly they do 1200-1300 hp naturally aspirated engines. They even showed me the old absorber compared to the one on the dyno now.

After I find a PG trans and put the motor and trans in the car, I will put the scales under the tires to see the weight and distribution to baseline the 4-link. The previous owner was about my size/weight and he ran an iron BB mopar. He said the car should not need any chassis adjustment for me. This chart is just my estimate after measuring the 4-link holes. I will update it when it is weighed.

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1993 Daytona, 5.50 at 130mph (1/8) 1.19 sixty ft (PG). Link to 572 B1 - Part 1
Re: Street engine in Daytona - what will it run? [Re: 440Jim] #2639163
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Very similar weight, and gear to my old Challenger. My old Eddie 440 had little less TQ and HP, but I finally managed a 9.96-134 playing with gear and converter mainly.

What I learned over the years with that combo:


You need a converter that will keep the engine in the meat of it's torque curve the longest.
I had an 8 inch 5500 stall that would flash to 5400 at the hit, and drop to 5250 on the shift to drive.
I had a 9 inch 5000 stall that would flash to 5100 at the hit, and drop to 5000 on the shift to drive.
The engine would go through the traps at 6400 regardless of whether it got there at 1150 feet or 1280 feet, that's all it had.
The 9 inch was a tenth or better than the 8 just about anywhere except Denver!

I preferred a low gear set glide...always better '60 than a 1.76

Great looking machine, the extra weight is fine since it makes for a nicer car.


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Very cool car Jim!!


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Great looking car, Jim! Ever consider short shifting it and run 10.00 so you can stay out of a fire suit?


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