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Pinto Duster steering part 2 UPDATED 3-27-09 #262485
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My ex picked my daughter up this evening so I went out to tackle this steering job.

Well I have it mocked up and the tie rods come center with the steering arm holes. The suspension is pretty much unloaded, I know it will make some difference but this rack seems too long. Here's some pics.

Any Ideas????

Yes I know it's old school, but it's all I have for now.








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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 #262487
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very close to mine




There is no room for adjustment. Or did you bend the steering arms out?

Or should I say, Did Dave Christie and Herb Mc bend the steering arms out?


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: DemonDust] #262488
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Couple of important things to look at are, when you
have the suspension at curb height, is the rack level
with the steering arms... thats very important. You
also want the inner tie rod pivot to be in the same
plane as the inner lower control arm pivot... these
2 things minimize toe change during suspension travel
EDIT
On the length, just cut it shorter and re thread it,
but do that later when you have everything in the
proper location, will the tie rods be on top or bottom
of the steering arms

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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #262489
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Couple of important things to look at are, when you
have the suspension at curb height, is the rack level
with the steering arms... thats very important. You
also want the inner tie rod pivot to be in the same
plane as the inner lower control arm pivot... these
2 things minimize toe change during suspension travel






So at ride height the rack and tie rods should be straight across?

The ball and socket is very close to if not in line with the lower control arm pivot


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #262490
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EDIT
On the length, just cut it shorter and re thread it,
but do that later when you have everything in the
proper location, will the tie rods be on top or bottom
of the steering arms





Well at ride height it looks like the tie rods will be below the steering arm.


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: DemonDust] #262491
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The lower control arm and the steering arm should be parrallel, that keeps you from having bump steer.

Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: DemonDust] #262492
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So at ride height the rack and tie rods should be straight across?

The ball and socket is very close to if not in line with the lower control arm pivot




Yes you want the rack in line/level with the outer
tie rod ends. The closer you can get the inner tie rod
ball and socket to the height and in/out distance of
the inner lower control arn pivot the better, it can
be forward but the up/down and in/out are important


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What is the difference between the A-body steering arms and B-body steering arms?


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: MR_P_BODY] #262494
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Hey jesse

racks way too low and those brakes and wheel adapters are scary.

As much as you have cut away already maybe go with some mustang II stuff CHEAP and lots of aftermarket brake options.

or do up a strut suspension cant tell from pictures how low your engine sits as far as how much you can raise the rack but as stated the rack must go up to have the right arc travel also if you swap spindles left to right you mess with the camber to get that back you have to move your lower or uper control arm mounting points .

its not a real quick bolt in to do it right not real hard but anyway you do it it wll take some time and fabing and meausuring.

unless you open the wallet for aftermarket bolt in suspension..

been real bussy but give me a call maybe i can walk you through it.

jim


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: voigtspeed] #262495
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Hey jesse

racks way too low and those brakes and wheel adapters are scary.

As much as you have cut away already maybe go with some mustang II stuff CHEAP and lots of aftermarket brake options.

or do up a strut suspension cant tell from pictures how low your engine sits as far as how much you can raise the rack but as stated the rack must go up to have the right arc travel also if you swap spindles left to right you mess with the camber to get that back you have to move your lower or uper control arm mounting points .

its not a real quick bolt in to do it right not real hard but anyway you do it it wll take some time and fabing and meausuring.

unless you open the wallet for aftermarket bolt in suspension..

been real bussy but give me a call maybe i can walk you through it.

jim




I never moved the spindles. Just swapped lower ball joints.

I have all the time in the world right now for fabbing and measuring. Moving the rack up is no problem.

Money is tight for anything but stock. I looked at the mustang II stuff your still looking at around $400-500 by the time your done. Unless I'm looking at the wrong stuff.

I really don't want to cut much more, because I will be interfering with the forward support rods in the front and torsion bars in the rear.

As far as an after market setup, NO WAY i can shovel out $3500-4000 for one right now.

If anyone has any parts to donate feel free to send them my way

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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: DemonDust] #262496
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Ok did some measuring and blueprinting in my head

The rack can be moved up 4-5", but at ride height it looks like it will only have to be moved up about 3". I'll radius out the 2x4" tubing I have tacked in there for the rack and that will make plenty of room.

Mr P how did you cut and rethread your tie rods? The reason I ask is the dia of the rod is much too big to just run a die over. The only thing I can see is to remove the ball and socket from the rack and turn in a lathe.

My other question is, the drivers side has a plate with two mounting holes. There is nothing on the passenger side to mount. It's just a smooth housing. How do you mount this side?


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Mr P how did you cut and rethread your tie rods? The reason I ask is the dia of the rod is much too big to just run a die over. The only thing I can see is to remove the ball and socket from the rack and turn in a lathe.





Jesse, they make a kit that has sleeves that slides over your steering arms on the rack, and it has hymes with it to bolt your steering arms to.

We did ours last year and here are a couple pictures.




Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: Dodgeman67] #262499
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the house on the left.
hey fred. your lower arm on opposite sides?



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Wow

Jeff you really have your rack way up front. If I moved mine that far forward I dont think I'd have any problems.

I could easily get the rack at the right elevation. Will the tie rods being angled back like that effect anything?


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: DemonDust] #262501
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Whar spindle's/ball joints do you have dodgeman ?

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What is more important?

1. Having the rack level with the steering arms

or

2. Having the ball and socket at proper elevation and in line with lower control arm pivot.

It has to be one or the other. Looking at it, I can't do both.


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Re: Pinto Duster steering part 2 [Re: DemonDust] #262503
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What is more important?

1. Having the rack level with the steering arms

or

2. Having the ball and socket at proper elevation and in line with lower control arm pivot.

It has to be one or the other. Looking at it, I can't do both.




You really need to do both... either one can change
the toe curve during the travel

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Whar spindle's/ball joints do you have dodgeman ?




Their strange struts.

We put all that on last year at this time, there is a build up on here somewhere of it.

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