Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Congrats Jim! That's awesome! CHIP
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
[Re: 440Jim]
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03/23/09 12:28 PM
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Great numbers...WOW gotta love that air too. Sounds like the car is working well to. We were in 3000-4400' of air this weekend in Vegas.
What kind of DA do you typically see in the summer months? Be curious to see how well it runs then, always heard the alky rule about the DA swings. Just never run the stuff to see. Be interested to see what you come up with.
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Hey a big congrats on a very successful first outing! Thats rockin, man! Ever thought of trying some M5 methonal from Vp? Supposed to be worth .05 or so. that coupled with radial drag slicks and a spot on tune, with the ladderbars up a hole just might put it into the 8s!! I know you bracket race, but thought you just "might" want to try this stuff for braggin rights, although you have plenty to brag about as is!
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Thats really impressive for your first time out with the toilet. Stiffer shocks or limiters on the front???? Im sure less wheelstand would equal more ET.... But i know you like the traction that the wheelsup launches provide for consitancy. But WOW that is really flying
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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I found that plug gap was very sensitive in the alky injected Rons toilet setup, just some food for thought. I made more than one change at a time, cause I knew they would both be in the right direction. One was a new set of plugs that I gaped kinda wide like .048-.050. The car slowed down from a 4.90 in the heat to 4.93-4.94 It took me awhile to figure it out too. My ignition system was probably border line to began with, being a large engine with lots of compression 15:1+ the 6AL must not have had the oomph for that many rpms. 7400+ Anyways, gaped the plugs back down to mid .030 and the e/t responded
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Hey Jim,
I am no expert, but according to Monte Smith, on a ladder bar car you stiffen the rear shock extension to reduce wheelies...
Perhaps the increased torque from the Alcohol will allow a higher ladder bar setting and still hit the tires enough to hook?
Also you might raise the air pressure 1/4 to 1/2 a pound and see if you can get a "little slippage" or wheel speed as they call it?
Interesting that you ran 30 degrees. Ron's manaul says to increase timing vs. gas.
Please post again when you try the 34 degrees.
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Thats really impressive for your first time out with the toilet.
That Jim does his homework before he makes a change. Congrats Jim, I think your the Flat tappet King of ET around here. mike
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Thats really impressive for your first time out with the toilet.
That Jim does his homework before he makes a change. Congrats Jim, I think your the Flat tappet King of ET around here. mike
it would be really cool to see the car get into the 8s n/a with a flat tappet cam.
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
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Congrats Jim, what size valves are in the heads?
These heads have 2.25" intake valves, but the porting is just middle of the road, nothing outstanding in the mid lifts.
Al, In the summer we often get 2500 ft DA, with lots of humidity. The track is at 80 ft elevation, so if the sun is shineing on a 50 degree spring day with high pressure...
Rick, I put double the front end travel limiter in to try and stop the excessive wheel stand, but it was not enough. I will increase the damping on the front shocks, add more travel limiting and see what else I can come up with (my fiberglass trunk lid would get 25 lbs off the back). And in warmer weather it should calm down some too. And if I have to move the ladder bar front mount up, I will (but it hurts the tire sidewall life).
Rapid Transit, Thanks for the tip. I have always run 0.035" spark plug gap with my MSD digital 6 and coil. I don't believe in the big gaps. I did put new plug wires and distributor cap on for this year. I was running last year's Autolite AR3933 plugs that had 23 runs on them. I have a new set of NGK R5671A-9 ready to go.
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cudabin: I am no expert, but according to Monte Smith, on a ladder bar car you stiffen the rear shock extension to reduce wheelies...
Thanks, I will give that a try, they are single adjustable. And I remember years ago I softened them to improve hook (weight transfer?) with the smaller engine. I started at 30 degree ignition timing just to be safe not knowing if the initial tune was lean.
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Congrats Jim, I think your the Flat tappet King of ET around here. mike
540Dust has a Duster with a 540 engine running the Comp 324/0.650" cam running my ETs. I forget the exact number and his weight.
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Re: New Best with the Flying Toilet Injection
[Re: 440Jim]
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03/24/09 09:33 PM
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540Dust has a Duster with a 540 engine running the Comp 324/0.650" cam running my ETs. I forget the exact number and his weight.
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