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The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. #2578717
11/15/18 01:40 PM
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GREAT job NHRA. They already went to an 18 race schedule for next year and then this.



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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2578723
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Good move - I like the Factory Stock Showdown class as it is more like the old Pro Stock as it depicts more of a factory available car. Now IF NHRA will let it grow as is and stop making stupid changes to benefit one brand over the other it could be interesting!!!

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: max_maniac] #2578743
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Originally Posted By max_maniac
Good move - I like the Factory Stock Showdown class as it is more like the old Pro Stock as it depicts more of a factory available car. Now IF NHRA will let it grow as is and stop making stupid changes to benefit one brand over the other it could be interesting!!!


It will be just like old school pro stock. Stupid changes to “level” the playing field (aka: make sure the Camaro has every advantage).

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2578746
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Like,After Alan went to Elite power I was done.This is an exciting class and has my attention!! GO LEA up


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2578773
11/15/18 03:29 PM
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I think NHRA is just letting natural attrition kill the class off so they don't get sued.

Rest assured, the big money is already coming in to FS and the problems are starting.


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: slantzilla] #2578852
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Originally Posted By slantzilla
I think NHRA is just letting natural attrition kill the class off so they don't get sued.

Rest assured, the big money is already coming in to FS and the problems are starting.


The big money is already there, they might as well call it at a "pro" class.

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2578927
11/15/18 09:09 PM
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Here's a thought:

Separate FS into ProFS & FS.
Pro gets to run more tire, maybe race gas instead of pump for the regular FS, basically kind of optimize the FS car like way back in the SS days of the 60s-70s.
Maybe the money then gravitates to ProFS instead of screwing up FS.
But it may be too late. It's kind of a vicious spiral, the whole performance/parts/money/factory-involvment thing; eventually the regular guy gets pushed out unless the rules are very strict.

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: slantzilla] #2579082
11/16/18 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted By slantzilla
I think NHRA is just letting natural attrition kill the class off so they don't get sued.

Rest assured, the big money is already coming in to FS and the problems are starting.


iagree

I also think lack of interest in racing from the younger generation isn't helping things either. twocents

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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: slantzilla] #2579149
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Originally Posted By slantzilla

Rest assured, the big money is already coming in to FS and the problems are starting.


Pro Teams and big money really have no place in the sportsman pits. The "regular Joe" efforts were already being outclassed by the Barton's, etc. But now with pro teams getting involved, bringing in crew chiefs, etc. I understand you have to pay to play, but I feel the class will spin out of control.

Good for spectating, but less good for the guys trying to run the class...


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: OUTLAWD] #2579161
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NHRA eventually destroys every class it conceives by allowing rule changes every year until the average racer can't be competitive because of the cost.Go to your Mopar,Chevy or Ford dealer and buy a show room factory stock car and see if it will run 8 seconds flat. It takes a lot of cash and R&R to run that fast and the cost will escalate every year as NHRA allows more changes to get lower ET's

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2579174
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NHRA doesn't destroy anything. People with big egos and big wallets coming in and spending millions to make hundreds are what screws it up. Don't want to spend it? Go buy a lower class Stocker. Plenty of those for sale, cheap.


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: CMcAllister] #2579183
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
NHRA doesn't destroy anything. People with big egos and big wallets coming in and spending millions to make hundreds are what screws it up. Don't want to spend it? Go buy a lower class Stocker. Plenty of those for sale, cheap.


For DA TRUTH .... anyone remember Bob Morgan and Big Thunder Marine ? .... I was at the Key West super boat finals and he was being interviewed and asked a question like that .... WHY do you spend that kind of money to win VIRTUALLY NOTHING. He didn't even have to ponder that question ...

It's .... ALL ABOUT THE GLORY .. He said !!!

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: OUTLAWD] #2579192
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Originally Posted By OUTLAWD
Originally Posted By slantzilla

Rest assured, the big money is already coming in to FS and the problems are starting.


Pro Teams and big money really have no place in the sportsman pits. The "regular Joe" efforts were already being outclassed by the Barton's, etc. But now with pro teams getting involved, bringing in crew chiefs, etc. I understand you have to pay to play, but I feel the class will spin out of control.

Good for spectating, but less good for the guys trying to run the class...


My question would be:
what's considered the "average joe" in drag racing these days?shruggy


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2579205
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Average? Local? Regional? Brackets? Fast brackets/TS? Class?

Starting from scratch, $100k for everything would get you a pretty good start with nice stuff in some of those choices. In some others, not so much. The tow rig is where you have some options for how much you spend. A pick up and open trailer will get you there. A motorhome and enclosed trailer of some sort is much better.

Many years ago, someone interviewing Jim Dunn asked him "How much money does it take to race?" He said, "All of it."


If the results don't match the theory, change the theory.
Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: CMcAllister] #2579221
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
NHRA doesn't destroy anything. People with big egos and big wallets coming in and spending millions to make hundreds are what screws it up. Don't want to spend it? Go buy a lower class Stocker. Plenty of those for sale, cheap.


What I found hilarious was when the Cobra Jets came out in '08 there were guys in A,B,and C Stock crying their eyes out about them because they weren't the big dogs anyore. Yet, these same guys cried about the idea of adding weight to go down classes and get away form the CJ's.

Buddy of mine sold a V/SA Diplomat that ran 1.00 under easy and held the record twice. He ended up nearly giving it away because there is no "glory" in the lower classes.


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: CMcAllister] #2579233
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Originally Posted By CMcAllister
Average? Local? Regional? Brackets? Fast brackets/TS? Class?

Starting from scratch, $100k for everything would get you a pretty good start with nice stuff in some of those choices. In some others, not so much. The tow rig is where you have some options for how much you spend. A pick up and open trailer will get you there. A motorhome and enclosed trailer of some sort is much better.

Many years ago, someone interviewing Jim Dunn asked him "How much money does it take to race?" He said, "All of it."


Agreed. There are all kinds of levels in racing, but when someone says "average joe" it's a relevant statement ... by who's standards?

I'm not sure my budget would allow me to be what the average joe even is. $100K would be well past my wallet, which is why I stick to local brackets/index/tuning stuff.
I guess it depends on if you see it as a hobby,an obsession or business.


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: pittsburghracer] #2579320
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There's no such thing as heads-up racing for "average Joes". Money will always ruin it.


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Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: slantzilla] #2579356
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Originally Posted By slantzilla
There's no such thing as heads-up racing for "average Joes". Money will always ruin it.


This. So true.

Re: The hits to Pro Stock Camaro keep coming. [Re: Leigh] #2579362
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I am a firm believer that holds true in just about any motor sport where there is competition, in order to be and remain competetive, cubic dollars will rule.


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And my car has set in the basement for basically 8 years because of this. Anybody want to buy a fast Colt?

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