Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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The TF8 is huge. I measured the one in my 2012 Charger, 30" from bell to rear mount and it's 9" tall at the mount. It doesn't really taper into the tail.
I don't know if the cams work like the hemi or not, but those guys physically block the gear to lock it in. There's a thread near the top of the G3 forum right now.
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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I think that the oil pressure is switched from high to low when the engine temp reaches a certain point. I have a 2013 Ram with that engine. I can watch the oil pressure and temperature on my dash screen.
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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I've wondered how the 3.6 would do in an early A-body Valiant. So a 3.6 has a sb bellhousing pattern? My first car was a '65 and if I find another one, that would be something to consider. Tim
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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I think your better off running a trans intended for that engine either from a 2wd ram or a charger/challenger/300...
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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I guess I should explain my reasoning a tad, there are more gear ratios, a converter is already matched to it so no need to play with converters trying to find one that works just right plus the 3.6 is drive by wire and the 904 needs a throttle cable unless you go full manual.
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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Just put a stick behind it and not worry about kickdonws or trans controllers.
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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Going to follow this myself. I'd love to put a Pentastar 3.6 in my 97 Dakota
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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Just put a stick behind it and not worry about kickdonws or trans controllers. the 2 questions everyone asks: what year is it? does it have the pushbutton shifter? its gotta have the pushbutton Anyone know what RPM the variable runner length valve changes?
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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working on a pentastar v6 swap into my valiant, got a few questions about its internal workings
-If the cam phasor spool valve isnt pulsed after start up, the cams run in the lock pin position, or will they drift? -How does the oil pump switch from high to low? RPM? engine load? -do these use throttle delays or limits to prevent detonation?
any other info you can give me would be much appreciated Cams run to the lock pin after start up. Not sure how much can be done about changing it at idle. I haven't fabbed up any "manifolds" for my 3.6l so its loud as hell for the 1st 30s and then the cam timing makes an obvious change and the decibel levels slowly drop by 2/3. I haven't seen any setting the PCM as far as Oil pressure control in HpTuners or Diablo, so unsure about the when but I'd guess RPM and load. Cam timing is used for psuedo-EGR like affect to combat detonation. I don't see any Throttle modifiers associated with Knock. I'm not aware of any Pentastar with a variable intake. I know my Jeep/Ram intake and my Caravan intake do not. im not sure of the 2016 and newer PSU engines NO the 3.6L doesn't share the bellhousing with much anything but maybe a 3.5L
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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Sweet! Do you have a build page somewhere? If not, I have a ton of questions for you. Tim
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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Can’t help you any with installation but it’s a great engine. I smoke people all the time in our 2015 Town & Country hehe! Surprising power for this big old heavy van.
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Re: 3.6 pentastar V6 questions
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working on a pentastar v6 swap into my valiant, got a few questions about its internal workings
-If the cam phasor spool valve isnt pulsed after start up, the cams run in the lock pin position, or will they drift? -How does the oil pump switch from high to low? RPM? engine load? -do these use throttle delays or limits to prevent detonation?
any other info you can give me would be much appreciated Cams run to the lock pin after start up. Not sure how much can be done about changing it at idle. I haven't fabbed up any "manifolds" for my 3.6l so its loud as hell for the 1st 30s and then the cam timing makes an obvious change and the decibel levels slowly drop by 2/3. I haven't seen any setting the PCM as far as Oil pressure control in HpTuners or Diablo, so unsure about the when but I'd guess RPM and load. Cam timing is used for psuedo-EGR like affect to combat detonation. I don't see any Throttle modifiers associated with Knock. I'm not aware of any Pentastar with a variable intake. I know my Jeep/Ram intake and my Caravan intake do not. im not sure of the 2016 and newer PSU engines NO the 3.6L doesn't share the bellhousing with much anything but maybe a 3.5L atleast as of 2018 they all have an intake runner length valve what are you using for an ECU? it sounds like you are able to read from it? fly by wire throttle? what donor vehicle? what all came from the donor vehicle? where is the O2 sensor? does your ECU require the after cat sensor? any other trap, pitfalls, or dragons to be aware of?
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